Labour canvasser today

It’s tough to I aging anyone liking him. Likeability is not one of his notable qualities.
one term PM, I reckon. The public will tire of the pomposity, condescension and incompetence very quickly.

Ah, the same old tune. Yes of course we’ll deal with women’s rights; but we have to think about the more important stuff first.
Nope

Keir is under the illusion that current polling demonstrates that people like him. They don’t; they just hate the other guys.

Hmmm. That’s quite a shrewd observation. Another question is how much people in the party like him. Sometimes it feels almost like they are tolerating him as they see him as their best chance of electoral success. Which makes me wonder what might happen between the next two elections.

Well, aren't you clever @SirSamVimesCityWatch. Definitely vote Tory though yeah, they're plunging ever-increasing numbers of children into poverty; they're still not promising a fully-funded pay-rises for the public sectors (despite Thursdays announcement) so your kids schools will continue go be crippled and our hospitals underfunded; the Prime Minister literally sneers whenever anyone asks him a question in parliament because he thinks that he's above question and debate (and he propped up Boris Johnson, a man who's literally a criminal and is continuing to do criminal things now he's out of office) AND Food Bank use is through the roof and the housing market is fucked. But at least they know what a woman is!

Come on. You'd be better joining the Labour Party and fighting your corner from within. The issue of sex-based rights is important, and I don't deny it's place in political debate, but it's a small slice of a very large pie. Single-issue voting doesn't make sense when the country is in the state it is and being run by these people who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. If you vote for this corrupt and frankly evil government, I hope that you can look yourself in the mirror.

FWIW I know that I'm going to get flamed, and that's a shame because I consider myself a feminist and am certainly not unquestioning regarding the way that the Transgender issue has taken over political discourse in this country, by you have got to wake up to the bigger picture here: kids are starving, schools are on their knees, hospitals are collapsing and there's more to care about.

I’m not sure that many people do rate them tbh. They get an easy ride from the BBC; Labour generally does. And people are fed up of the Tories and want a change. What they forget is that it’s possible for things to get worse. They also don’t want to acknowledge how many of our current difficulties are down to things the public wanted and screamed for vociferously (lockdown and brexit).

My Tory male MP totally gets all our issues.
I had a long email when I previously wrote to him about self I/d
I have to vote for him. IMO this isn't a single issue - there are far reaching consequences for us all.

She'll most likely just put you down as a non Labour voter. No way she'll report your reasons if that is her attitude. Starmer is projecting this attitude of what he hopes is benign indifference to the issue. Hoping it all just goes away...

Ps I know you don’t. I’m glad someone on mn isn’t a Labour loyalist

Rachel Reeves is going to be dealing with her own issues. There’s no magic wand for the funding problem. She’ll be on economy duty telling people off for trying to overspend

She’s already done some of this anyway

Then you’ve got Lammy and co and Starmer doesn’t want to talk about it

I can’t believe people rate them

Why will he listen when he is in power? He has made clear where his personal sympathies lie. The best we can hope is that the sensible tendency (which seems to be one person at the moment, Rachel reeves) will restrain him.

I actually think Starmer might be more inclined to listen to sense if he wins a comfortable enough majority. At the moment he's afraid of alienating the TRA lobby but with the security of a win behind him I could see him becoming bolder. But the problem for me is that this thought sustains me less and less - my respect for the Labour Party is draining away so fast that I'm not sure I will have any left by the election.

It’s nonsense. What they mean is I want to vote labour and I don’t care that much about this stuff. They just don’t want to say that.

Even if that were true, it would mean that he lacks both the thinking ability and the motivation to recognise an attack on women’s right to privacy, dignity and fairness when it’s been all over the media for years and to put some thought into the matter, let alone take any action to protect women.

So, at the absolute best, he’s lazy and has no interest in women. The more likely position is that he’s both those things and also a coward and prepared to lie to your face.

Idk but it’s odd how he can say I can’t hear you, nothing there and people see that as oh he’ll listen after I vote him in.

He’s also an idiot. 99% of women don’t have a penis indeed. How can you contemplate voting for such an utter tit.

The “something better” will most likely be a Badenoch led Tory party

Cates and Mordaunt are both more likely to become leader than Badenoch. The older male members have a crush on Mordaunt - her sword carrying in a cape at the coronation did wonders for her profile.

V true this.
We have seen lots of bad stuff happen through the capture of the numerous institutions that operate as part of our vast state - so vast that central government simply cannot oversee and stop it all (not that it’s tried that hard to I do admit). But our legislative framework has not been altered and has given some tools to push back. Starmer will alter this. We don’t know how because he won’t say. But his sympathies are very clear and they are not with biological women.

I will fight this corner when Labour are in power.
Can you talk me through what you plan to do?

If Starmer wins he gets the mandate. It’s pretty simple.

By all means make a noise but so far only one side has said I can’t hear you, nothing there.

So it is being slowly changed under this government

And you look at leftist ideology around the world and think Starmer will be different?

He also won’t be able to do much with your list, there’s no extra funding

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It is unbelievably easy to lose anything we have gained, albeit slowly

Remember Streeting is utterly despised by the TRA wing of the Labour party who regard him as a traitor.

Look Streeting has changed his stance on what he says. Can he be trusted? The fact is we don't know, but the TRA don't trust him either. He hasn't apologised for changing his rhetoric, one reason for that is politically that would undermine him. Yes it is dodgy, but it is good politics.

The fact is I think Streeting is most interested in doing whatever will win Labour most support and like Starmer he thinks there is a magic middle road to follow. {i also think he is personally ambitious]. The SNP got destroyed by going full self ID Streeting can see that. So is he planning to do it anyway? Really? I think he sees the flaws. Well there is going to be a massive row about the future plan, lets see what the Labour manifesto says.

The easy path for Streeting/Starmer might just say things to placate the TRA side and do nothing much to advance them. Because the TRA agenda is massively risky if you look at it logically it involves dodgy experiments on kids and trusting male criminals not to assault women and hoping no-one notices. Long term covering it up isn't going to work in the UK, it is already falling apart, because we have a diverse media along with the internet and lots of clever women tearing the lies apart. No debate is over and the Tras can't argue rationally.

Also remember one key fact Labour want to win more than one term. Sex/ gender questions are NOT going to settle the election in 2024. They may decide the election in 2028 or 2029. Every year there will be more trans criminals and more detrans people. Labour are promising they will cut crime and make women safer will they deliver on that? The Tories will make all of this a bigger issue in 2028 because they will have more evidence and will clearly they will campaign on a claim they will restore women's rights if they can. They might be on their 4th women leader by then, maybe a black woman. While Labour will still have Starmer.

Streeting knows all this. At the end of the day it comes down who Streeting is more scared of TRAs or those pesky women defending their rights? It is up to us to make sure it is the latter seem the ones you cannot afford to cross. So keep hassling canvassers or even better go to Hustings and ask questions. You know what is a women ?

It is going to take decades to sort out our institutions and services up here. Decades. Even now, after the debacle over Isla Bryson, the SPS still hasn't finished the massively overdue review of its policy.

Results of consultations are ignored and concerns raised are dismissed with 'it was in the mandate'. Claims are made by our elected representatives that a vote for the SNP was an explicit vote for GRR.

Even with the recent push backs against the GRR and the downfall of Sturgeon, we're still having to fight tooth and nail. I can only hope that Starmer does drop it all.

We can hope.

This is why I have joined the SDP and will be voting for them at the next election.

That’s wildly optimistic. Sports are an exception because the unfairness is so apparent, and because men care about sport.

Most of the public have no clue about the infiltration of Stonewall/TRAs into the NHS, education, the Civil Service, the judiciary and even the military. There isn’t the same pressure to respect women’s rights as in sports. If Labour get in, self-ID will be introduced, possibly through statute, but definitely through allowing the conflation of sex and gender to the point that single sex is meaningless.