Labour canvasser today

Scottish Labour's performance in the GRR debate was risible. They kept repeating the assertion that they would cover all the issues raised by women with extra clauses (disallowing rapists from accessing a GRC, for example).

And looked a bit shell shocked when every single one of their clauses was struck down and thrown out.

This makes me quite concerned that they think they are somehow able to 'balance' the rights of women (occasional sop by referring to 'safe spaces') with those of men who want to be women. And will push through something like Self ID in the same clueless way they did in Scotland, and watch helplessly when every single safeguard falls. Just as women have been telling them it would. But they won't listen.

I honestly don't think he's thought everything through, or even has a grasp of the issue and its complexities at all. The Labour ledership group are still meeting with Stonewall, and now have Ian Anderson on the backbencches too.

They are repeating the things that Stonewall tells them to - verbatim as far as can see.

The Labour party in Scotland backed reform of the GRA - in all its ill thought through mess.

Starmer attempting to keep one foot on the genderist train as it gathers speed.

I don't need convincing to not vote Tory (never have, never will) - but I do need convincing on how Labour will be different from the Tories on economic policy. Or on anything beyond identity politics.

It's a genuine question. As far as I can gather, their economic policy is the same if not worse; and they have a bloody track record when it comes to bombing other countries.

This is concerning

“it’s time for tougher hate crime laws so every LGBT+ crime is treated as an aggravated offence.”

Does this include saying a male is male?

This is dystopian stuff if so

https://unherd.com/thepost/what-keir-starmer-told-pink-news-is-a-sign-of-things-to-come/

Good question. What does he mean by " not far enough". I suspect he is simply repeating lines from Stonewall - who would like for the category of 'Gender re-assignemnt' to be replaced with 'Gender identity' - in line with Self ID. I don't think he knows what he is talking about.

https://www.christian.org.uk/news/labour-leader-gender-recognition-law-does-not-go-far-enough/

I'm just a bit confused about how you could go even further than self ID. Did he expand on that?

I've seen him say this on at least one TV interview - cannot remember which ones...maybe 'Laura Kuennsberg' was one of them?

I always find it interesting how it's acceptable to care about things that disproportionately affect women such as childcare and social care and low income issues (and I agree these are likely to hit women harder), and yet caring about an issue that unapologetically centres women is viewed as a side issue. I think it's very telling.

You go vote the way you choose.

We shall vote how we see fit.

I realise some women don't get it yet.
But if you cannot identify a woman, you cannot help her. It is a basic idea, but true.

I think this poster just posts unsubstantiated stuff tbh

See Mordaunt would be leader last time

Can you post a link of where Starmer said this? Google isn't helping me. I can only find him saying that the current GRA doesn't go far enough and supporting the Scottish GRA reform bill.

😂 and an emoji at how crap it will be.

Good luck it’ll be your lot then.

I don’t think anyone’s saying this? They are making a judgement based on how things are currently, as sensible people tend to do.

I look forward to your 😆 when Labour come in calling you a dinosaur.

Enjoy.

Yes dear, women need to Vote Tory for Perpetuity if they really are feminists.😆

Where are the examples of practical things the Tories have done to support women?

I posted this already but 30 free hours and SEISS both were very good and meant I could work and get support when required

And the £900 plus direct cash and benefit uplift not for me but others

Yep, the Tory party sure is a meritocracy, lol.

Where are the examples of practical things the Tories have done to support women?

Depends whether you are talking about women as individuals or women as a class. If it’s individuals then Liz Truss will be receiving £100k a year as a former prime minister. Same for May.

Not being able to feed your children or put a safe roof over their head due to years of benefit squeezes and cuts to the social services that would have been able to support you is the reality faced by many women. I am sure they would place those things as having more meaning than anthing else.

Where are the examples of practical things the Tories have done to support women?

Women's rights start with recognising women as a sex. If you can't do that then everything that follows becomes meaningless, including the idea of 'safe single spaces'.

I don't find these "Tories hate women" and "Tories don't support women's rights" statements particularly convincing. They are black and white declarations which seem pretty pointless.
Ask away though, maybe someone might humour you.

Tobias Ellwood Tory MP for Bournmouth East leading the way for women's right's in Afghanistan by encouraging UK to "re-engage" with Afghanistan diplomatically and "incrementally" improve women's rights.

Again I ask the question - what have the Tories been doing to improve the rights of women in their 13 years in power? Women's right go far beyond the fight for safe single spaces. I don't deny that this is important, but to claim that Tories support women's rights based on just one of many, many of the issues is just plain wrong.

And before the inevitable response…

If Tories lose it’s Labour and maybe Lib Dems up next

Since posters can’t even support them given how much they hate the Tories, it’s obvious they are worse on this