Labour canvasser today

You'll find that most people in the city are in favour of redevlopment of derelict dockland. There is acres and acres of it. UNESCoOwanted, effectvely, to freze the city in a state of decay and post industrail wasteland, and a few noisy campaigners would have liked that too

The picure you show is of the 'three graces'; indeed the Liver Building itself ( at the time very controversial) was itself constructed on the site of a former infilled dock. That is how cities grow and develop, and that was how Liverpool developed.

The implication, that I think is being suggested, that development was down to a corrupt Labour Party misses the mark. In fact, if it were not for the Labour administration far more would have been redeveloped by now. In place of openness to change and oopportunity, the Labour group comes up with a sort of communist model of centralised control - with all sorts of rulest that must be obeyed, and which, in turn, deters investment.

Tories don't want to be an eternal laughing stock over this issue and want to win if they possibly can and will use the culture was that Stonewall and Labour started. It's insulting on top of being told a man is a woman that it was not Stonewalling and Labour that started this.

Tory, willing to listen to women, have started the beginning of the end of trans everything.
Labour, still cant say with certainty that women do not have/have never had a penis.

Tory win next election, we will carry on dismantling trans everything.

Labour win next election, we will have to go right back to the beginning, maybe even rename ourselves to get our single sex everything back.

Labour puts us back to when women got the vote. No bank accounts, no mortgages, no jobs and no child custody it will go to the woke be it family or the state - not women who know what a woman is.

I genuinely don't believe that the Tories give a rats arse about what a woman is, why would they... they don't care about kids, the elderly, the sick or the otherwise disadvantaged and they protect rapist MPs and sex criminals
within their own party... seems weird to me that to some GC women the Tories have become the face of feminism

I know it doesnt seem like it, but we agree.

We agree torys are a shitshow, we agree they care nothing about anything but themse.

Where we disagree is how important this issue actually is.

Tory, willing to listen to women, have started the beginning of the end of trans everything.
Labour, still cant say with certainty that women do not have/have never had a penis.

Tory win next election, we will carry on dismantling trans everything.

Labour win next election, we will have to go right back to the beginning, maybe even rename ourselves to get our single sex everything back.

I look at what is easiest, and I decide women will have nothing if labour get in. I cant be a part of that.

One of my local Labour MPs is the young and foolish Nadia Whittome, who is talking about legal rights for "non-binary" people and she supports a violent criminal's right to incite violence against "terfs".

No Labour are not getting my vote until they reject this nonsense. I will not vote for a party that is this detached from reality.

Really? God I think they’re awful - never yet met anyone with a different view!

These?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/21/unesco-strips-liverpool-waterfront-world-heritage-status

Exactly

https://sdp.org.uk/policies/transgender-and-biological-sex-based-rights/
SDP definitely exist!

Liverpool Labour is so ideologically hostile to developers and companies making profits that they end up with corrupt local cowboys instead.

I quite like Mann Island and the Museum of Liverpool - if that is what you are referring to? They beat a derelict car park, anyway. Cities much change and develop.

is a tiny issue which doesn't affect me at all

Yet. And I'll bet when it does you'll be crying that no-one told you. And people on here will turn round and say 'We did tell you. You didn't listen.'

Can you give some specifics as to how Labour would be any different from the Tories? As far as I can ascertain, their economic policy is the same as the Tories'. If anything, they are more 'Tory'. And, I fear, more inclined to prove themselves when it comes to beating Tony's old war-drum. I've been in the Labour Party most of my life, but tribal loyalty is a content-free approach to voting and reduces politics to United v City, Liverpool v Everton.

The contempt with which Labour treat women who even mention sex-based rights is breathtaking and unprecedented. And the auto-repetition of mantras and slogans that they can't unpack, undermines everything else that they say they believe in.

Which eyesores are you referring to?

Yep, aware of all that. Also very curious to know how developers got permission to chuck all those eyesores up at the pier head. I’m not disagreeing with you.

Sorry I wasn’t responding to you, but to the pister accusing the government of criminality. Interested to hear what the specifics of that are. With all due respect to the law of libel of course ..

Do you live here too?

People in Liverpool were so sick of Labour that for years there was a Lib Dem council. Plus, the Labour party nationally has never done anything for the city, and in fact, it was Labour that left the city off its HS2 Map and cancelled the proposed tram scheme.

Yes, I'm aware of what criminality implies. Criminality is an equal opportunities employer - certainly where I live.

Thé poster you are responding to does not even know that there is an SDP. Finger not exactly on the pulse of current affairs.
but hey, it doesn’t affect her, la la la little fluffy clouds

I've just completed a year's worth of CBT, believe it or not to get me to reconcile and calm my reactiveness in this area, and to enable me to see more clearly and feel better about myself.

Part of the process has been peeling back the phenomena to see it more clearly, but also rising above it, to get a better overview.

And this has worked. I'm not so heated and cross, maintaining more a cold disdain, not so much towards the idiots at the forefront, or disillusioned youth, but to "my group", the elites that populate the professions and formulate public policy.

The last curtain to draw, or box to open here, and thus have a strategy for, is politics, those formulating political and public policy, who to vote for.

Can I really spend my interior life forming opinions on the madness of elites crowds, feel totally disillusioned with the outcome of New Atheist opinion making, end up with zero confidence in public figures incl the vast vast majority of left/left leaning/centrist politicians that maintain the "99.9% of women of course don't have a penis", and then in the final analysis say to myself, I'll put all that aside to vote for an institutionally captured Labour Party, LDs, Greens etc?

Right now that's not a circle I can square, my rationalising of emotions in this area in the last year having made me even more binary in my thinking.

A year ago I was angry but ready to accept the idea of personal pronouns and relenting on the idea of trans children/trans conversion bans and gender as a real thing to be accommodated.

Today, the anger is gone, because I've reconnected to material reality, and any party deep in in pronouns, "99.9% of women...", trans conversion bans etc, cannot command my respect, and thus not get my vote.

Plus ça change in Liverpool Im afraid

For some people it is an issue of fundamental importance.

My father was a trade union shop steward and life long Labour voter, but once he voted Tory on account of his strong support for grammar schools - which Labour is fundamentally opposed to.

Some things matter very much to people, and their voting behaviour reflects that.

you know that « criminal » actually means committing offences, right? Not just being nasty Towies

And just as a reminder, the two women pictured smirking under this sign are -

Kirsten Oswald MP, SNP Spokesperson for Women and Equalities

And

Kaukab Stewart, a member of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

This is where we are in Scotland. Violence against women endorsed, even celebrated by our elected representatives.

Come to my city, where the Labour leader and several officers were arrested for bribery and corruption, and as a result of which - the council is now under government cover-sight. One local councillor made accusations of sexual harassment against anotehr councillor and she has since left the party to stand as an independent........Lots of councillors have been abusing their privileges and using public resources to feather their own nests. Its rife!

I wish them the greatest possible success

You cannot make all of those accusastions, about "lack of care" about everyone, just because of their political party.

To my mind the. " culture war" is simply a product of people pushing back against social tendencies, policies and thinking with which they disagree, often with passion.

Of course, the Conservative party is going to make hay with the ridiculous position the Labour party has put itself in with regard to sex and gender. The Labour party has never once stood up for women as a sex class - (without having to redfine woman as an identity than anyone can buy into).
In fact many Labour MPs come out with most outrageous bullshit on this issue. They are ripe for the taking.

As an ex Labour party member ( in my case, in Liverpool) I have shed my own certainties and triibal loyalties and for the last few elections have spoiled my ballot. If there was a decent Tory standing in my ward who I liked and had respect for i'd vote for them., because in my city people vote Labour even though the Labour party local is riven with ideological fervour, bullying and intimidation and even though the local council is so corrupt and incompetent it is now under government over-sight.

Going forward I will only vote for a candidate who I like and respect; represents my interests and who I believe will have the integrity to stand by that, regardless of party.

I certainly will not be voting for Kim Johnson, my current Labour MP. She refuses to met with her constituents on the issue of women's sex based rights. She talks all about how she is there for the poor and marginalised in her community ( a large part of her ward is Toxteth - multi-ethnic/racial/deprived) - but I don't imagine she has revealed to the many minority women in her community what she has planned for their single sex sessions or spaces.