Labour canvasser today

This nonsense goes back beyond the current Tory government to the coalition

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/transgender-action-plan

I’ve no doubt that the Tories gave this to the Lib Dem’s as a sop as part of the coalition deal and paid it literally no attention beyond being assured that it would show they were no longer the ‘nasty party’. Since then they paid it no real attention beyond being reassured that it’s just a nice be kind thing to do until the last few years when they realised what an opportunity it was to hammer their opponents.

the fact that Labour allow it to be an opportunity for them hammered is not women’s fault

all keir has to say is “women need single sex spaces and TW need to be treated equitably and fairly. Sometimes the rights of women & TW will conflict and we will ensure that in those situations womens right to single sex spaces will be upheld
while ensuring TW also have the supper & services they need”

It’s worth looking at the detail on various actions in specific parties - threads on FWR are good, it’s worth putting time in if you’re interested - and also Canada and NZ to see how far this can be pushed if gender ideology fully takes hold.

It’s scary and depressing how far it can go. We’re not there yet, but easily could be after the next GE.

A ban on some men going to women's prisons? Why only some and what government put them there in the first place @maltravers ?

The Tories are pissing on our heads and telling us it's raining.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64781360.amp

Well what do you think we've been doing for 20 years? Twiddling our thumbs , ranting at the unfairness?

I am absolutely done writing to MPs whom either ignore my missives or send me a 20 page screed about how it's like gay rights back in the day, and beeee kiiiiind

The situation regarding single sex spaces has all arisen under the Tory party's watch. If they wanted to do something about it, why didn't they. 'At least we know what a woman is' - slogans are free - it's their actions they should be judged on.

Remind me how they are doing on closing the pay gap between men and women?

What are your views on the Tory party pushing the TRA agenda to the point they put male sex offenders into women's prisons and have overseen/ are responsible for the trans shitshow that's happening to us today @AgathaSpencerGregson?

Just because I won’t vote Labour despite voting for them at every election doesn’t mean I’ll be voting Tory

like so many women im
politically homeless. Not one of these shower of bastards deserves my vote

I’m not sure why you think we’re not brave enough to admit it. I haven’t voted labour since 97 (and I regret I did so then). Dyed in the wool Tory here. I regard Labour’s willingness to embrace genderism as symptomatic of its long-standing intellectual deficiencies; utopian thinking and covert misogyny, chiefly.

What exactly have the Tories done in the 13 years they have held power to improve the lot of women?

That's a very pertinent question @calimali.

Yes if people think others are pretending to care about this issue it’s a losing starting position.

What’s at stake is hugely concerning.

Look around at other countries and see what’s going on.

I’ll try to stop that for my dd but it’s likely a lost cause, which is depressing as hell.

I'm silly? Gosh I thought women were a little more supportive of other women that that. Patting me on the head and calling me silly is very patronising don't you think? Please do enlighten me. What exactly have the Tories done in the 13 years they have held power to improve the lot of women?

I can tell you that the women I work with, who come in for their food parcels because their children are going hungry, the same women who have to swallow their pride and go to clothes banks for shoes for their children, they like me are struggling to see how handing back power to the Tories is going to improve their lives.

If the Tories cared about women they would do something to support all of those women who face the realities of poverty, insecure housing and diminishing social services every day.

I have no issue with those who openly admit they vote Tory because they support the Conservative party and all that they stand for. Just be brave enough to come out and admit it. Don't hide behind the 'at least they know what a woman in' as a pretense that they are somehow more 'noble'.

I was just about to say the same, Agatha. It’s pretty obvious really.

You will need to dig deeper than "what is the party line" on this. The oft repeated "at least the Tories know what a woman is" was a lie dreamt up by a spin doctor at Conservative Party HQ.

I am gutted for any GC voters in Brigend who held their noses, voted Tory and elected Jamie Wallis.

Agree with both these posts.

personally, I shall wait to see where all parties are on this issue by the election and that will inform my vote. I’d rather vote Labour generally, but this Turkey is not voting for Christmas. Old 80s style feminist here. No daughters (thank goodness) but I’m not selling my sisters down the river.

Don’t be silly. You don’t get to determine why women don’t agree with you on voting away women’s rights.

If you are for gender ideology that’s up to you. But at least make a solid argument beyond ‘you’re pretending’

Raise the bar on the debate a bit.

Fortunately it is not one or the other in the UK because we have the, soon to be elected out, Sunak who doesn't know what a woman is, then defined "woman" as whatever Boris Johnson said. While I'm glad he now "claims" to know that a woman is an adult human female, he's not going to safeguard our rights while he is the PM leading the government. And I have no doubt he'd change his mind again.

Sunak has a sound grasp of the economic realities and a very solid background in economics, as well as being clearly a highly intelligent man. Starmer has accepted the economic position Sunak has set without seemingly understanding much about it. Starmer’s professional background was extremely narrow; as a human rights lawyer he wasn’t a great choice for DPP but could at least be supported in that role by people who did have the right expertise. He makes extremely foolish public statements (no new North Sea oil a great example) and struggles when challenged. His pronouncements on education are either stupid or dishonest (altering the fact that education is not a chargeable supply is not going to bring in anything like the sums he claims and will harm a much broader range of providers than the public schools). He is no good. He will be dreadful for this country.

The Tories have been in power for over 13 years. If they are so good at supporting women then why do we still have to fight so hard for women's rights? I for one am not happy with accpeting the staus quo thank you very much.

If you vote Tory you are Tory. Don't pretend that you are doing so with any reluctance because 'they know what a woman is'. I have seen the way that senior Tories have behaved - and I really don't like their interpretation of what the role of women is.

Starmer seemingly cannot tell bromentum to fuck off. He is lying about some women having a penis and thinks self id doesnt go far enough.

We all know hes lying about women with a penis, what else is he lying about.
He is being either cowardly or stupid, I dont care which. But hell no we do not need someone like him running the country.

So how do you see it with Labour? Like NZ and Canada?

Ah, now you're asking. As a long term Tory voter, actually very open to voting Labour this time, but rating belief in material reality, very anti magical thinking, generally pro women's rights, and strictly GC, it is an absolute bin fire out there for someone like me who feels compelled for the first time not to vote Tory (especially with my MP being Liz Truss).

Do I put aside the alarm bells clanging in my head to put in a party who I vaguely trust to try and run things better, but zero confidence their acquiescence to ID politics won't betray women and girls rights?

I’ll take the people who maintain the deficient but not disastrous status quo over those who actively want to make it worse, thanks all the same

Anyone who believes that the Tories have done, or will do, anything to support the rights of women are seriously deluded.