Labour canvasser today

Fingers xd they put up a candidate here, Liz Truss country.

The SDP are historically and unequivocally pro sex based rights. See what John Cleese has said or Rod Liddell's columns in the Times.

Good for you OP. Yes the SDP is a minority party, but voting for them now will boost their future election hopes and sends a message to the wishy washy Tories before the next GE.

I have thought the same.
And I'm still stuck with, if hes lying, how can we trust him?
If hes lying because of the pushback he will get from his own party, that makes him a coward. Dont like the idea of either option being leader of the country. Sometimes you have to make unpopular decisions. That's what being a leader is about. You will not keep all of the people happy, but in this case you should at least try to keep 50% of the population on side. And the sex fudge is not an option.

Hmm probably. It's depressing but both Labour and Tories are reduced to culture wars to placate their perceived base. Having given up on the practicalities of running a modern democracy.

So the Tories pretend they are sending thousands of people to Rwanda. And Labour pretend to believe sex is a state of mind.

Just realised I was thinking of the LibDems when I was talking about the TWAW comment. Also, when the time comes for me to vote in any election, I bet the SDP don't field a candidate in my area. So as you were - I am (probably) still politically homeless after all. (Sigh.)

No I wasn't, but until I checked just now I thought that SDP (as well as the Greens) were as captured as Labour. In fact I am sure they used to be - didn't one of them once say that people who did not think Transwomen were women were not welcome in the party? (Or am I going completely mad?)

However on the back of this thread I googled their policies and was gratified to find this section:

• POLICY PLEDGES:
• Transgender individuals wishing to change their legal sex should be allowed to do so. However, we support the continued necessity for medical gatekeeping in any legal change of sex marker. We oppose proposals that would allow someone to change their legal sex by self-identification only.
• We support segregation by biological sex in sport. Fair competition is not secured if male-bodied transgender athletes are permitted to compete in women’s sport and, in the case of contact sports, the risk of injury can increase significantly.
• We support segregation by biological sex in prisons and women’s refuges in order to safeguard the safety and privacy of natal females. Separate prisons or prison accommodation should be provided for transgender citizens to ensure their safety and privacy.
• Healthcare spending and resources for gender dysphoric individuals, including long-term psychological intervention, should be provided at sufficient levels. Physical or drug-based medical treatments for gender dysphoria should be prohibited for anyone under 18 years of age.
• We support the retention of biological sex and gender identity as distinct categories in public sector data gathering such as crime statistics, poverty metrics or public health research.
• We support the use of plain English for discussions of biological sex in health and reproductive care.

Wow - maybe I am not politically homeless after all!

You're thinking SNP

The SDP are backing sex-based rights? I thought they were TWAW.

And now Sunak has kicked the T ban into the long grass. Maybe what he'll do with school advice.

Is this really what it'll come down to. Zero impetus from Tories other than vague promises at the GE. A Labour win. And a necessary change of Tory leadership to Badenoch or Cates to properly draw a distinction. And a forlorn hope that they prosper in 2028 to reclaim TERF Island.

The Tories put the T back into the Ban on Conversion Therapies following objections from TRAs within the Conservatives.

@SirSamVimesCityWatch did the Tory candidate contact you? I don't know which constituency you are in, but the SDP have candidates in two of them.

Me too. News round here this morning is the fact that our (Plaid led) council have voted over £300k to provide free meals over the summer for children from low income families. Welsh Labour pulled the funding for this last week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxeknyl762mo

He's had such blowback from the Owen Jones faction, he's making amends. Just sod the rest of us.

That is wishful thinking, unfortunately

Could be Starmer is just lying about Self ID . After all he dumped all the promises he made to get the Leadership , with nary a backward glance.

I personally can't get over the Pink News 'hostage videos' Starmer and Sturgeon both did. I think it was when Boris Johnson correctly decided that the T should not be included in the proposed conversion therapy ban.
Before that it was the 'hate group' thing during the Labour Leadership Contest.
What on earth has Stonewall got on these politicians for them to be so in thrall to their every whim? It still makes zero sense.

Would rather like a list of questions, data and rebuttals to write down on a piece of paper to refer to if one ever knocks on my door.

The vast majority of men throughout history who have thrown women under the bus have wives and/or daughters. It makes no difference. And of course he is privileged. He will make sure the women he thinks are worth bothering about are ok, don’t you worry

Starmer really cares about his career and getting elected

He will say and do pretty much anything to anyone to achieve that

If there is a bit of noise from some quarters, too late he can’t hear you. No one is talking about it

Dangerous

I agree he has given no thought to this.

He does have a wife and one or more daughters, you would think he could see the pitfalls for them. Unless he is rich enough for it to never matter to them.
It's ok for every other woman to use mixed sex spaces or even just withdraw from life because they cannot. Because the women in his life wont be impacted.

And having given it no thought, we are supposed to elect him? Leader of the country who cares nothing for half the population, has given no thought to how half the population might feel if nothing is single sex ever again. He is stupid, we dont want stupid leaders, we would be insane to vote for that for ourselves.

Gah, I wonder at those that scold us regularly, how much thought they give this, how little they care about women.

That's one of the articles I found (from 2020).

Sir Keir Starmer has said that people in the UK should be able to change sex by ‘self-identification’.
Last month it was revealed that the Government is set to scrap plans to make it easier to change legal sex.
But the Labour leader told ITV’s Good Morning Britain that the current law, which has built-in safeguards, “doesn’t go far enough”.

He said he wants self ID, and the current law doesn't go far enough.

I’m pretty sure posts on mn used to be deleted for stating the sex of a person

That has lessened but I’m very concerned under Labour we’ll go back, actually worse as it could be a crime

Can you imagine?

Is anyone else worried about this to same extent

It’s scary 1984 stuff

Every day that passes, is a day that convinces me that I'll never give my vote to Labour.

We're soon to find out both how unprincipled Starmer will be in power, and how unsuited he will be to the role.

Sex based rights will be roadkill.