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UCI new policy

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DistantVworp · 14/07/2023 13:55

Changing categories to Men/Open and women. About time!

www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2023/07/14/transgender-cycling-news-uci-bans-athletes-female-races/

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Igmum · 14/07/2023 14:35

Bloody brilliant. And about time too.

puffyisgood · 14/07/2023 14:33

Fenlandia · 14/07/2023 13:59

"The UCI Management Committee has taken note of the state of scientific knowledge, which does not confirm that at least two years of gender-affirming hormone therapy with a target plasma testosterone concentration of 2.5 nmol/L is sufficient to completely eliminate the benefits of testosterone during puberty in men. In addition, there is considerable inter-individual variability in response to gender-confirming hormone therapy, which makes it even more difficult to draw precise conclusions about the effects of such treatment. Given the current state of scientific knowledge, it is also impossible to rule out the possibility that biomechanical factors such as the shape and arrangement of the bones in their limbs may constitute a lasting advantage for female transgender athletes."

Surely they mean male transgender athletes in the last sentence?

Quite right, though in some ways I almost prefer the wording that's been used here - it seems to do something really important, namely show that [some people] twisting the language can't ever be used as an excuse to twist the facts/reality.

And it's a good paragraph generally - it makes it clear that a sporting body shouldn't be put to proof over every individual exclusion from the female category - the fact that many men who've taken female hormones outperform the best female athletes is more than enough to justify a blanket exclusion from female sporting classes for all men - the exceptions are irrelevant.

titchy · 14/07/2023 14:32

Cailleach1 · 14/07/2023 14:30

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think males can compete in the female competition if they have taken puberty blockers and have not undergone male puberty.

These chappies (or girlies depending on your sleight of hand willingness) still don't have a female body, with all that entails. It's still not like against like.

Way better than before, but a female is not any version of a male. And, if it is to be protected, it should be a positive definition. Not simply male not gone through puberty and not testosterone level dependent.

True, but no TW who has not gone through male puberty is going to have the bone strength for any sort of sport, let alone a competitive one.

Cailleach1 · 14/07/2023 14:30

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think males can compete in the female competition if they have taken puberty blockers and have not undergone male puberty.

These chappies (or girlies depending on your sleight of hand willingness) still don't have a female body, with all that entails. It's still not like against like.

Way better than before, but a female is not any version of a male. And, if it is to be protected, it should be a positive definition. Not simply male not gone through puberty and not testosterone level dependent.

ArabeIIaScott · 14/07/2023 14:16

Fan fucking tastic.

NancyDrawed · 14/07/2023 14:06

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AmuseBish · 14/07/2023 14:00

But it says this applies to female people who had a male puberty - i.e. precisely no-one.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 14/07/2023 13:59

BRILLIANT.

Awaiting the reactions with interest.

Gladtobegreyish · 14/07/2023 13:59

Fantastic

Fenlandia · 14/07/2023 13:59

"The UCI Management Committee has taken note of the state of scientific knowledge, which does not confirm that at least two years of gender-affirming hormone therapy with a target plasma testosterone concentration of 2.5 nmol/L is sufficient to completely eliminate the benefits of testosterone during puberty in men. In addition, there is considerable inter-individual variability in response to gender-confirming hormone therapy, which makes it even more difficult to draw precise conclusions about the effects of such treatment. Given the current state of scientific knowledge, it is also impossible to rule out the possibility that biomechanical factors such as the shape and arrangement of the bones in their limbs may constitute a lasting advantage for female transgender athletes."

Surely they mean male transgender athletes in the last sentence?

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 14/07/2023 13:58

Hurrah!!

greenacrylicpaint · 14/07/2023 13:58

about time!

NancyDrawed · 14/07/2023 13:56

Fantastic news!