UCI new policy

I'm also struggling to think of any plausible reasons why certain men should be allowed to compete in women's sports.

Stamping and saying 'I'll thcweam and thcweam and thcweam until I'm sick'?

The fact is that there are dozens of plausible reasons why the likes of Ms Ivy and Bridges should be allowed to compete against women

What are they? Because the only reason I can only think of is “Because they think they are women and/or want other people to think of them as women” and I don’t think that’s plausible at all, given biological reality and the concept of sporting fairness.

It defies the premise that sports should be fair to have ever wedged their way into the female category of sport. I cannot believe these supposedly intelligent male athletes did not fully realise that it was always a false premise that their efforts were based on. They seemed to be desperate to use it for their own purposes and now cannot accept they have been excluded from a category they should never have been in.

I actually don't believe they could have siloed their thinking to this degree unless they were fully supported by equally complicit people who were fully immersed in theoretical thinking without any basis of material reality.

There is competitiveness, and there is cheating. I know where I believe these efforts have fallen into.

I totally understand that Austin's livelihood is on the line here, and I totally get the attempts at all of these competitors to make the strongest possible case for inclusion within the sporting category that's most advantageous to their chances of success.

The fact is that there are dozens of plausible reasons why the likes of Ms Ivy and Bridges should be allowed to compete against women, and it's totally understandable why they would want to emphasise these reasons when they speak on the subject, whilst glossing over/overlooking the dozens of plausible reasons [which, as I'm sure will become ever clearer with the benefit of hindsight, are on balance a lot stronger] why they should not.

It's up the 'powers that be' to take all points of view, most of them made by vested interests one way or another, into account in reaching a balance decision. It does look as if most sporting bodies' decision making seems to be headed in more or less the right decision.

this is so sad.

so a trans male who only wants to race against women but not other trans males....

There’s lots of things I do because I enjoy them knowing full well that I’m never going to win anything - I like the taking part and the trying to improve.

Whilst Killips, Bridges and Ivy have become accustomed to winning in the female category and the validation that brings, I’m fed up with the emotional blackmail they’re constantly exerting - all the talk of being banned, having their human rights removed, having to give up the thing they love doing.

They obviously don’t love it enough to just do it for enjoyment and the camaderie of being part of something.

Because if they just accepted it and moved over to the open events or started setting up their own events they would not be able to claim that they are being genocided.

Because they won't do anywhere near as well in the men's/open classes so they won't win. Which, along with the Validation Feelz, is what they care about. Which I can kind of understand, I compete at sport and I want to win. There wouldn't be much point me competing if I didn't. But the difference is that I don't want to win at any cost when that might mean competing at a lower level than I'm capable of or against kids/much less experienced competitors. When I do well I want to know that I got there fair and square.

The huffing and puffing from the likes of Ivy, Emily et al shows that they're not bothered about competing fairly, IMO.

30 weeks pregnant, you say?
I don't know, looks like Veronica Ivy might be trying to give Ellen a run for her money...

Austin ("Estro Junkie" is pretty apt) doesn't come across as unhinged as some, and can even write a decent sentence, but I think your reading nailed it.

They want to dominate the dojo

The comments are gold under VI's instagram post.

Because they want to win. They want the accolades. And they will not get that in the open competition.

I suspect it is that they thrive on being 'special' in some way.

I’m struggling to understand why, if people like Killips and Bridges claim to love their sport so much, they are saying that it’s all over for them now?

Nobody is banned. Nobody is being told they can’t take part. Nobody is being excluded.

It will prevent them from racing most CX races (there are some unaffiliated ones) but won’t prevent them from racing gravel which is not affiliated to the UCI and is the biggest racing scene in the US. Every gravel race sets its own rules, there’s no central organisation or regulation. Oh, and no anti-doping either.

Yes this applies to the Olympics as Olympic regulations follow those of the world federation for each sport (so the UCI in the case of cycling).

@Signalbox she isn’t even correct. It’s always been the case that women have raced unofficially in men’s races when there hasn’t been a big enough field to put on women’s race, particularly in cat 4 (entry level) races. The open category just makes this official and means they will actually get qualifying points (which they didn’t previously when racing in a men’s race, even if they placed).

Yowsers! That is some statement.

‘I knew it was only a fleeting moment when I could beat women so much and profit from it, and I sunk every dollar into doing just that’ is how I read it.

And why do these male people talk about telling their competition how much they love and care for them. It come across like an abusive male charter. They never see it though.

Fantastic news. Great to see they are following where BC lead ☺️🚴💨

Austin Killips statement is something else entirely…

You’re welcome. It’s a nonsense position funded by public money but there’s no lever from Sport England to make British Cycling keep the project just for females.
You just can’t make this shit up anymore.

Ironic.
Thanks again.

No. It’s a Sport England funded project run by British Cycling to encourage an underrepresented group (women) into cycling.

Thank you. Aargh.

Is Breeze an independent organisation, then?