Sexist leftist antifa men

It was.

What is your source for this? I have read a lot about Dickens and he was controlling and abusive emotionally and verbally to his wife but I have never seen any suggestion of physical violence, would be interesting to know. Thanks.

Lewis Moonie
Kevin Price
George Galloway?

I don't have many men, of any leaning, in my life, but was recently tagged in a FB debate, by a bloke I met once or twice, in my home town, years ago.
He'd made a long post, containing all 'our' points and arguments. It went on over days and there were hundreds of comments. Interestingly, it was mostly women arguing that TWAW, and mostly men presenting strong rebuttals.
He is a socialist/communist, and those in the debate were arguing from a materialist pov.
But I could clearly see TERF 'influences' and it made me feel less hopeless. It really seemed that these men have been listening.

So TERFs are seen as opposing the rights of the oppressed trans and are therefore perceived as facists for not denying this freedom of self expression.
… should’ve read it through before posting! What a difference a word makes!
On another note - good post, OP. I can’t believe the lunacy of this situation and am
doing whatever I can to try to understand it and spread the word but so much of it makes no sense. Most of the good leftie men that I know know exactly what a
woman is etc but don’t see it as their fight - yet. It helps if they have a daughter and are shown the photo of Lia Thomas Vs the other three girls on the podium. At least some sports are fighting back for women.

The one in my family, I think, enjoys the fact that I'm the baddie now. He had to listen to years of me working to try to make the world infinitesimally better while he did fuck all. Finally all that work of mine is wiped out because he is finally on the right side of history and me on the wrong. Meaning that he can safely feel that he is a better person than me even though he's done nothing for anyone.

He wants all the medals. He doesn't like me having any. Even though I have been very clear that the reason I try is because it makes me happy and is a selfish impulse at heart!

He's the archetype of the person Obama described when he said (essentially) that if your activism is disagreeing with people online, it's not for shit. He said it more classy!

It's not a new thing. Social reformer Charles Dickens was a wife-beater.

Machismo and misogyny is a cross party feature, sadly.

Currently fascinated by this. Recently came across an old old uni friend on twitter. Was a lovely friend, together with his wife, I'd have said socially conscious (volunteer type) rather than political back then. Really helped me when I was borderline depressed. Funny, sweet. Became an academic and now 25 years later is clearly exactly the guy you describe. Large twitter following. Absolutely rabid. Totally sure he is right. Other left politics, extreme. Not sure but wonder if not married anymore? What the hell happened to him? Happy to disagree on politics but he's so angry and so blinkered, which isn't who he was. I had to unfollow.

Right on lefty dudes don't really think transwomen are women.

Was that the Twitter one where the guy forgot to switch back to his sock puppet account?

They're exhausting. The amount of effort they put into finding ways for men to breach women's boundaries without accepting that's what they're doing is astonishing.

I'm engaged in an argument with one on another forum. He is convinced that a GRC is always the solution, because obviously if a man without one enters a female-only space you can just report them to the police, who will immediately take action. He doesn't understand why I find this risible.

I think because it doesn't affect them so they don't care, they assume (from the standpoint of having the standard, universal experience), they assume it doesn't affect us, if we're not haterz.

The lefties fundamentally believe in liberty vs authority so any pushback on the rights to self-expression particularly of a group that can be seen as/perceives itself as oppressed is seen as an affront to the freedom of the individual and therefore right-wing conservatism in action. (Fascists!) So TERFs are seen as opposing the rights of the oppressed trans and are therefore perceived as facists for not denying this freedom of self expression. I think in BBs case perhaps the chip on his shoulder that has had him challenging anyone or thing in a position of authority for years has blinded him to the bigger picture. Aside from this, I did read somewhere that left wing authoritarianism is associated with low verbal intelligence and I wonder if the people who believe in the gender ideology are genuinely limited through their limited vocabulary (in this area, not necessarily everywhere) to have a very basic view of the world where power=bad and no power/oppressed=good. Since trans women are obviously (sigh!) oppressed and their ‘rights’ denied, that simply makes GC women the baddies, in their eyes. And that’s as far as the thinking goes, and they can shout away, feeling self-righteous, victimised and angry.

Absolutely this.

@missmollygreen I would argue that the majority of men regardless of who they vote for overall are just all about men and whatever benefits them.

@Doopydoor exactly my experience being involved with the trade union movement for many years. Of all political groups left wing males are overall the most misogynistic wankers of the lot of them.

One was having a meltdown about how we are such Nazis and his mum let him play with purple toys and wear dresses and we should just shut up and stop hating people for being different.

I don't think they could ever see that actually, that's exactly what we think too.

I think they are just basicly stupid.

I think lots of men just don’t think it through, and since it doesn’t directly affect them, it just doesn’t jump out at them in the same way. I remember my very kind, very thoughtful dh explaining to me that of course transwomen should be in women’s spaces. What got him was the realisation that men with not so lovely intentions might take advantage of the situation - then sport - then the kids and finally (eventually!) women’s rights.

‘Be kind’ has a long reach, and pretty much everyone wants to do the nice bit, saying no bit.

I guess Graham linehan is left wing. And there's that Alf up a tree guy. Maybe Mr Menno (not sure what his politics are). TBF there are probably a good few left wing men without a public platform who don't like this anymore than the many left leaning women without a public platform. (At least I hope so...)

tears = twats

The common denominator with right wing and left wing men of this type is that they fucking love the sound of their own voice and enjoy telling women They Are Wrong. The lefties of this ilk have been around forever, but seem to have had a particular Renaissance in recent years. Coinciding with the rise of the men’s rights and trans rights movements. Funny that.

My CLP was full of these tears during the Corbyn years. They seem to have slinked off under Starmer. Probably balaclava’d up on some protest against women.

p.s. LOJ and Billy Bragg would be my absolute nightmare dinner party guests

They are highly sexist, highly self absorbed, completely unaware of their privilege and hugely arrogant. Plus they absolutely truly believe that a) they know everything and b) pretty much all women know nothing. They are basically awful people who should never have any platform anywhere and it's a sad indictment on society that not everyone spots how much hate is contained in the vitriol that spews from their anti-equality mouths.

Just ask them if any of those "trans women" are in their dating pool!

Left-wing men are no less misogynist than right-wing men. In fact arguably they are worse, as the self-righteous glow of feeling they are 'on the right side of history ' means they can act like shits with no dent to their self-esteem. Basically 'I'm a virtuous person so whatever I do is also virtuous'.