Sexist leftist antifa men

Old school left wing men have always been very 'after the revolution, luv' about feminism. Therefore its natural for them to either disregard womens views, or put them about 5 or 6 on the priority list.

The new left are very material based - womens rights are about equal pay and equal opportunity to employment, so cant compehend women wanting more.

Not understanding safeguarding is a fault of many men regardless of politics. They all find their own reasons why mix loos are the future, or it a human right for a 60 year old man to pay for nude photos of teens.

So what do you think is the 'primary causes'?

Men are complicit in this. They hold most of the power and they sit back and do nothing and say nothing (in most instances). Men are part of the problem. They sit on their privilege and let women get hit, threatened, raped, excluded from society. There are not enough men standing up for what's right here. Those who do are welcome allies though that does not mean they still don't need to examine other privilege. Men do not get assaulted (verbally mostly), thrown out of jobs, destroyed on social media when they say TW are not women. But still they don't say it. I don't think your argument is strong enough TBH. If it impacted them, more men would be saying something. That's unearned privilege.

We do we know how much liberals hate working class people during brexit they couldn’t hide it

the launch of GB news showed once again the left have every institution but launch a news channel tht talk about the things people who are working class care about god forbid

anytime working class people think the bbc poll tax might be axed the liberals cry and moan after all they are not the 1 in 4 who end up at the magistrates court

everytime working class people hope that the refugee crisis will be sorted we get called raciest for wanting it sorted after all it’s not the liberal who has them placed in there community

the working class understands how well the liberal hate as they pretend to have concern for us but mainly liberals are protecting the own interests while pretending there defending ours

liberal man buys sex from working class person working class family complain
liberal mumset immediately condems working class family and hails sex work as the same a cleaning for living and paint liberal man as the victim

right wing man who working class people feel has addressed their concerns has his bank accounts closed for addressing working class concerns
mumsnet says he must be a crook and their own sad his bank account wasn’t closed sooner because they hate him for listening to the working class 🤷🏿‍♂️

and the only thing more hated than a working class white is a conservative ethic minority

People think that as long as they are doing the right thing they can do no wrong.
I heard yesterday from a woman who had some pets removed by a charity who had previously been supporting her. She was devastated. There's two sides to every story but it felt very much like the workers of the charity were deceptive and didn't give two hoots about the woman. It's had a huge negative effect on her, huge, but I doubt they cared at all. They work for a charity, how could anything they do be wrong?

It feels with social media and likes and retweets that people are becoming conditioned to do that which will get them the most positive reactions. If you are getting all that you must be a good person right? Cartoon villains make this process even easier. Choose a cartoon villain, shout abuse at them, tell them how wrong they are, tell they how much of an awful person they are and deserve to die from xxxxx, and you just proved how good a person you are. Wait for the likes and retweets.

As long as what you believe in is good and pure every action you take to support that cause is also good and pure. Shout abuse at someone, good and pure, threaten to punch someone good and pure, encourage others to violence good and pure, vandalise some else's stuff good and pure. The ends justify any means.

No need to think, someone else did all the thinking for you. Just hop on the convenient bandwagon du jour, and signal to the world what a virtuous person you are. Also no danger of you being chosen as someone else's cartoon villain to virtue signal on as long as you toe the party line.

Useful idiots.

b) risks alienating male allies who are already nervous about how TRAs will react to them without also coming under fire from Team TERF!

Oh well.

I understand the point. And it's been interesting for me to understand over the last few months that women are connecting the problems caused by the TWAW attitude and a very long history of societal sexism.

But whilst that was interesting for me to see, I have concerns that: a) it deflects attention away from the primary causes; and b) risks alienating male allies who are already nervous about how TRAs will react to them without also coming under fire from Team TERF!

I think I'm poorly quoting MLK when I say it's not the TRAs, it's the men standing around letting it happen. The most important thing about women's rights is not making sure it's known that it's not the Nice Guy's fault. If men were ALL speaking up, loudly, this issue would have gone nowhere at all.

Forgetting to switch to your sock account and accidentally self-praising from your main: autowhinephilia

I wasn't arguing with you. But actually now I will disagree. It is easy for people who support gender ideology to buy into this because we live in such a sexist society. And the problem there is men ot bothering to examine their privilege.

I think it's pretty clear that's not remotely what I meant. I completely get women are angry but the problem is with TRAs not "men"

Perhaps not the motivation in all cases but you have to have a seriously big dose of 'don't give a shit about that anyway because it's just women' to refuse to look at what the actual impact is for women.

Men on the left have always been as sexist as any other. I recall one young woman telling me how she had to give talks on anti sexism to her local branch of the Socialist Workers Party, after she joined.

They almost go away with it then , because it was generally accepted that being on the Left automatically meant you were a good guy, in favour of 'equality etc.

That was before readical transgenderism......

Now the good guys think they must automatically support 'trans rights' - seeing it as the next big civil rights campaign - though not really taking the time to actually understand the issue or the conflicts at the heart of it.
Their formerly unexamined misogyny and sexism - now fully on show

The working class know very well how much the liberals hate them. We're working class, not stupid.

That's how you end up with Brexit.

@Froodwithatowel You've nailed these faux leftists there big time. Really they are just bourgeois liberals maaan!

If only the working class knew how much the liberals hate them. To sort of paraphrase Germaine Greer.

Ps Margot Leadbetter yes...

Brilliant post Froodwithatowel.

I will never understand how anyone considering themselves as progressive can not see how this ideology impacts others.

I think patriarchal attitudes run deep, and a lot of men simply go through life with a sense of entitlement and a belief that women should fall in line with whatever men want. The mistake some of us made was to assume that a lot of men no longer felt like that, and that men on the left were different from men on the right.

These days I feel cheered when I come across a man who isn't like that.

And what about the left wing women who have taken up with this and ran with with

it’s amazing to watch left wing women pretend this is not a left wing women issue a lot of the left wing men are taking their lead from women 🤷🏿‍♂️I watched talk tv yesterday and they were talking about this the only person talking about what horse shit this all was Mike graham who is a man 3 other women on the panel all on the left think trans women are women

apart from about 2 every labour, Lib Dem ,Green Party, alliance,snp,sinn feinn thinks trans women are women
near every left wing journalist all the charity’s all the teachers who are mainly left wing and female 🤷🏿‍♂️

Jonathon Pye is another passionate left socialist who is baffled by the lib left bullshit and values. Rather like we see here where so many MNetters on FWR are naturally left leaning voters who are homeless because the political left who identify as being left with left values, actually aren't at all. And yes, the misogyny is writ very large in the men with no skin in the game who see the role of women as being kind of walking Florence Nightingale AI units with sex provision attachments.

The left identifying women bleating about how they don't need dignity or privacy or understand trauma and violence, so they don't see why any other woman on the planet would not be Like Them are equally grim. As a group this lot will witter for hours about

they love LGBT people (just like they love little pet kittens and chocolate) but abhor homosexuals who won't validate others with their body

they love a rich cultural melting pot and get beyond snobby about the cultural mix of their street and choosing their children's schools, but abhor it when one of those cultures has a need that gets in the way of a male person's validation and feel then that those cultures should stop being Not Like Them and get with the programme

they are passionately feminist but abhor women who want to centre and respond to women's needs and women's voices as oppose to martyr women for the universal mummying, particularly when it involves putting women's needs first in women's spaces as opposed to primarily using them to validate a male person.

And so on. It's Margot Leadbetter, classist snobbery on crack, waving a red rosette and identifying as being a Good Person. It's devoid of any actual values of inclusion, justice, awareness of care for other groups, it's all about the superiority and feelz.

That's my take too (I'm a man)

I see a lot of women on here say that the TWAW thing is just another example of men finding a way to oppress women. Whilst that's clearly the outcome 😪, I don't think that, in most cases, it's the motivation

I suspect that personality disorders are far more prevalent in society then previously through.

I have come to the conclusion that people who peddle and go along with are women - are not kind and it's not a lack of thinking it through either.

These people lie constantly, so more lies mean nothing to those that go along with it, they are sadistic and get off on the punishment.

They don't deserve a golden bridge in my opinion, there is something wrong with them no bridge will help or fix.

Hmm ...there might be an element of that alright. I think way back the then leader of the SWP opined that after the revolution there wouldn't need to be homosexuality since it was a distortion brought about by the pressures of capitalism. Or some such. It was decades ago and of course they changed. But there's always been macho lefties alas.

There are others I suspect are GC because they are old Labour type socialists. Certain prominent trades Unionists who focus on the material conditions of the working class - to use a hackneyed phrase.

Here in Ireland we have a writer called Frankie Gaffney who managed to get an article published in the Irish Times , ' What is the use of Identity Politics ' * going from memory. Well worth a read.

But he was condemned in an open letter headed Cop on Comrades. This was signed by over 200 of the most influential women in Irish letters , politics , arts and media. Frankie is a left wing socialist from a working class family with an out and proud mother.

The problem with this cancellation stuff is it leaves the field open to right wing Covid deniers , anti immigration groups and assorted nutbags. These latter have started to show up at libraries here which host trans events. Meat and drink to the trans activists . Hope springs eternal though.

I think with a lot of them it's about how much they like those women with penises. If the penis person the lefty bro is attracted to is really a woman, then the lefty bro is still really straight. It's internalised homophobia.

Yes to this. And also I agree with the post stating left wing men consider women as public property.

There's also something about these left wing liberals treating children as though they are adults and blurring the lines of Safeguarding. Pushing to lower the age of consent etc etc. Makes me very uneasy in their company listening to their self righteousness.

@Beachcomber
That made me think of the push rise of so-called ’sex positivity’, hook-up culture, ’kinky’ sex ie.men hitting, degrading, all around being violent during sex. And pro sex work (for men to use, no thinking about the girls/women), calling women swrgs, vanilla, prude, list goes on….

All this really became a demand at the same time women became more independent, started to stay single AND be happy, talking about staying childfree…