Sexist leftist antifa men

No need to think, someone else did all the thinking for you. Just hop on the convenient bandwagon du jour, and signal to the world what a virtuous person you are. Also no danger of you being chosen as someone else's cartoon villain to virtue signal on as long as you toe the party line.

https://nypost.com/2023/05/25/left-wing-extremism-linked-to-psychopathy-narcissism-study/

I have no time for liberals be they men or simpering bekind women, virtue signalling their luxury irrational beliefs women.

They both now make my skin crawl and send a cold shiver through me.

More recently though, I've found a third group of people who either think it's nonsense but are just too scared to speak up and be ostracised from their community

This is when people say "TWAW but sport". They know tw are men, but can only say it in certain situations.

One possibility that I wonder about sometimes is that there are quite a few lefty men who have in mind that transitioning might be good for them in the future. Even if it's unlikely they'll choose that path, self-interest still plays a part.
Someone mentioned porn use and there is no great data, but certainly does seem to be some connection between increasing porn use and increasing gender dysphoria (AGP?).

I first had these thoughts reading the Daily Nous blog (which is where I first came across Dr Stock). I /could not/ understand Justin Weinberg's philosophical blind spot on this - not that I disagreed with him, but that he insisted there was no argument to be had. And it finally occurred to me, what if this is just self interest for him? What if all he is looking out for is his possible future self?
It's much, much easier, by and large, for male people to empathise with other male people than other female people, would be maybe a better way of putting it.

Although,Theresa May is conservative and she still unleashed this shitshow in 2017.

I didn't say conservative. I said right and Tory. The Tories are a right wing party. They're certainly not Leftists although I agree that they are not conservative.

I'm in the fringes of the British punk/crusty community - same politics on most stuff, same life ethos, same musical taste, but don't wear the uniform so (ironically for a group who see themselves as misfits) am often not accepted by those not able to see past my exterior. They are very much on the left (unsurprisingly!), militantly antifa, and regularly take part in direct action. Most are aged 35-60.
I've found there's a mix of 'don't care' misogynists and folk who, in their drive to insist everyone is accepted, blindly insist we make room at the table (kindly meant, but misguided and lacking critical thought). The second group I liken to hippies that believe because X & Y alternative therapies/medicines have been proven to work, all alternative medicines must be effective, rather than accepting/rejecting each on its own merits.
More recently though, I've found a third group of people who either think it's nonsense but are just too scared to speak up and be ostracised from their community so either say nothing or nod along, or think it's nonsense but it's sent them into a bit of an existential crisis because they've always felt solidly behind 'the cause' and in step with the community. The latter are also scared to speak out and risk ostricisation, but are also internally freaking out the 'inevitable' aging = getting right wing process is in full swing and they are 5 years away from joining the NF.

There have always been these 'don't care' misogynists on the left though - again, with the hippie movement, the men had a lovely 'free' time whilst the women did all the grunt work and childcare to make it happen...

Trade unionist Paul Embery who self-identifies as Blue Labour is very GC!:

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1676924194032852993

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1676829579833495555

No source, it's something I heard years ago. Googling, I can't find corroboration but there is something about him trying to have her shut up in an asylum, which is horrible enough.

They are finally allowed to be the misogynists they always were at heart! Its so tough being a leftie bloke. No wonder this movement has captured our society - its a men's rights movement.

@Thatgirl1981 your posts-spot on. The left has a major hypocrisy problem

Douglas Murray once said this is a grift by left wing men who see this as a way to sleep with left wing women

they see it as a way of engraceacting them selves with woken up women this having more of a chance 😂 hood observation by a gay man

Bug men.

This is a very incisive article about the phenomenon:

hackernoon.com/on-the-infestation-of-small-souled-bugmen-6561ae922e07

😂 if you think these lot are conservative then you have not been paying attention

if one puts on a dress are you a women
serving as a conservative MP doesn’t mean your conservative 😂

the majority of labour and conservatives are neo cons and could easily be in either party
if you think their is a hair between David lammy and Tobias Elwood your smoking the good stuff that’s not legal

their are literally about 6 conservative MPs who actually have conservative views

it’s like saying the lib Dems are liberal they are not they are left wing David Davis is more of a Lib Dem than anyone in the lib Dems

I was around 40 years ago, and don't recall any mention of changing rooms. Nor was there any suggestion of a threat to women and girls - or any objective impingement on the rights of another group in society. It is a fact and matter of record, statistic and experience that men as a sex class are more predatory than women - likening women's anxieties around men to straight men's homophobic ramblings about gay men preying on them is offensive.

The comparison with Section 28 is a lazy trope, I know men who self-identify as left-wing who admit that gender ideology is a load of bollocks but then in the next breath "it's just like section 28". The "it" in question is usually left vague, but ultimately references opposition to males self-identifying into women's spaces.

I agree with this. One of the worst ones I know personally just isn't as clever as he thinks he is and has outsourced his critical thinking to the Guardian. Also I suspect porn addled (although I'm betting he knows what a woman is in that context). The other main culprit is just a misogynistic self righteous arsehole. Both enjoy preaching and being patted on the back for being soooo thoughtful by much younger women. (I might sound bitter as I considered both of them to be good friends until a few years ago. I am now Evil And Not To Be Trusted!)

The right are for transitioning. This whole trans shitshow happened under and because of the Tory party. Our only trans MP is a Tory.

Also massive element of owing the right wing bigots as they see it

I have noticed this a lot that if the right were for transitioning they would be against

This

I've noticed this too in spades, I found it so upsetting I left twitter,

Unprincipled.They know trans people. It's a social milieu thing.

Says a lot about left wing men when they know more trans people than women who need single sex facilities and services.

The thing about 'my lovely trans mate' is that the person talking never has a mate who's been in a refuge, or has experienced awful abuse and resulting PTSD, or comes from a faith and/or culture/class/poverty they haven't socially got in their circle. They're only meeting the very privileged, very naive Layla Moran types, and have no real idea that what they're in fact saying is let them eat cake when they shrug and say lesbians should do men, traumatised women should re frame their trauma around a man's inner feels and no woman worth bothering with needs single sex provisions.

Classist snobbery and ignorance. And a few friends waved like flags to show how very interesting and valuing of diversity they are. Educating Rita shows quite a lot of this kind of person: the hawking of the 'interestingly brash poor person' around the middle class party. Victoria Wood also did much mickey taking of it.

Totally agree @Thatgirl1981

Brexit made it very obvious about how much disdain the WC are treated in this country.

As far as men on the left supporting gender ideology, I don't think that's really complicated. They support it for the same reasons, in general, that many women on the left support it.

You don't need to look for special man-answers for those people, it's about political tribalism.

In terms of misogyny more generally, I've never seen any evidence that men on the right or left are more inclined. Some people are just selfish narcissists, and basically think no one is as real or important as they themselves are. Some specifically seem to resent women because of their sexual dependence on them.

The idea that as a group, right wing men don't respect women, or like them, as far as I am concerned is a complete fabrication and left-wing myth that people tell themselves to make sure they feel like the good guys.

I think there's a bit of failure of imagination going on in this thread. The two main reasons I see many left wing men take a pro-trans position:

• Unprincipled. They know trans people. It's a social milieu thing. It's one thing to be skeptical about the ontological claims made by trans people in the abstract, but when your social sphere is full of them there's a choice between self-ostracism or acceptance.
• Principled. The anti-trans rhetoric is near identical to the anti-homosexual rhetoric of 40 years ago. The exact same claims around corruption of youth, changing rooms etc. You could say that this is also a matter of social alignment, but alignment against the same social conservative forces as usual.

I remember a friend at college, very bright, very politically alert and interested, highly committed to Labour as a party, on track to be part of the next MP generation. She went to do some placement work with the local Labour MP. She came back steaming and said he looked at her tits, her bum, dismissed her with a grimace and said "make us a cup of tea love" and that was the limit of his interest in her.

That was about 35 years ago. Nothing much has changed. The chat has, but its all just corporate marketing veneer laid on the top of a lot of grime.