The amount of women condoning prostitution

This news story is a case in point. All the men I know don't want to discuss it, it's private to him, we don't know what happened, yadda yadda

A "That's grim. Wouldn't have thought he'd be that kind of man" would be enough.

Instead this "innocent until proven guilty" / "its not a crime" approach permeates everything which supports sleazy men.

It's very depressing.

@CurlewKate stag do- maybe 40 years ago. And given that he's the only man in his current team, I don't really think he's the right person to lecture if one of the others make an off colour joke.

@DisquietintheRanks "Maybe the good men don't have friends or colleagues that buy women for sex, or don't discuss their love of pornography over lunch at their desks?"

No off colour jokes? No stag weekends? Lucky man.

Maybe the good men don't have friends or colleagues that buy women for sex, or don't discuss their love of pornography over lunch at their desks? Maybe I've been lucky in my workplaces but I've worked with plentry of men and its never come up.

My husband is a good man, what form is this "speaking out" to take? Should he get a sign and start preaching in the High Street or interrupt his mate Bob when theyre discussing farming and lecture him on the evils of sex work? Strangely, being a good man, he tries to lead his life and choose his friends in a way that the topic rarely comes up.

Now if you were talking about calling out everyday sexism you'd have a point.

Even though we are talking about women involved in prostitution here, there seems to be, amongst trans activists, an almost positive attitude towards prostitution - re-named as 'sex work'. I think part of the reason for this is that quite a high percentage of males with trans identities seem to be involved in selling sex. Men seem to have a different attitude towards prostitution than women, and cannot see the situation from a female perspective.

I'm thinking of the numerous TW who have said they got involved in prostitution very young, and laterly went on to fund their surgeries through it. I'm thinking of Paris Lees, amongst others.

https://www.attitude.co.uk/news/world/paris-lees-dedicates-her-honorary-doctorate-to-sex-workers-289611/

But you object to me pointing it out.

@Iwasafool "The punters being almost exclusively men does not men the prostitutes are exclusively women or even almost exclusively women."

I didn't say they were.

The punters being almost exclusively men does not men the prostitutes are exclusively women or even almost exclusively women. I know the truth doesn't always fit with the story people want to use but it's still the truth.

The problem is that neighbours don't tend to welcome 2 or 3 women using a flat as a brothel. They don't like the noise, the men hanging round, they worry about their kids and what they are seeing.

I keep on coming back to the men. In this, as in so many other things, why aren't the good men speaking out? Why aren't men calling out their friends and colleagues who buy women for sex? Why aren't they raising their sons to speak out? Where are the fucking allies?

Yep. And you should know that women, including prostitutes themselves, think men that pay for sex are scummy losers.

Agree op.

'sexworker' - all one word - is very distinctive isn't it?

That was swift. I always say when I report something...

Did you read my link above? It contains testaments from sexworkers themselves.

"As the English Collective of Prostitutes tells sex workers on its website: "If you work with someone else in a flat you can be done for running a brothel, even if you are not there at the same time."

Emily, whose name has been changed to protect her identity, began working in the industry in the 1980s and went back to it after becoming a single mother.
She now works with another sex worker for her own protection.

She called it "draconian" that she could end up with at least seven years in prison for running the flat if caught by police.

Countries like New Zealand have decriminalised sex work - including brothel-keeping - which Emily supports."

You're a punter, right @MerlinsLostMarbles ?

Saying feminists shouldn't speak for sex workers just makes more room for pimps, punters and other men to instead.

https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-arrested-for-running-brothels-as-sex-workers-say-its-the-laws-that-are-criminal-12117653

Brothels are actually raided often. Arrests made are dominantly the sexworkers, as it is illegal to work together.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails

In 2009 the UK had the biggest ever anti-trafficking raid which meant 6 months of surprise raids on suspected brothels across the entire UK using all police forces.

Guess how many traffickers/victims of trafficking they found?

@Iwasafool "I was replying to a post which claimed prostitute = woman. Not true is it?"

No, it's not true. Well done for helping with the deflection from the incontrovertible fact that the punters are almost exclusively men.

I was replying to a post which claimed prostitute = woman. Not true is it?

And it always seems to be male punters who are incredibly keen on discussing legalisation. For some reason.

It's often a mixed bag of feminists and some sex workers who favour the Nordic model. Again, for some reason.

It's worth saying that the spokeswomen for legalisation are often not the women who are giving blow jobs in doorways for ten quid. The Belle de Jour thing is a tiny microcosm of the trade. A lot of the women involved in street sex work aren't able to access publishers and microphones. But I know a lot of those women. And being raped and robbed and abused isn't all choosy choose safe. And their 'boyfriends' pimp them out so removing the customers removes the incentive. It's not about flexible hours FFS.

ALL the men who use these women are scum and don't need 'condoning'.

I thought this thread was interesting about the men who use prostitutes:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/4638679-reasons-never-to-go-into-prostitution-the-horrors-of-it-and-ukpunting-rant

Yeah, except it doesn't as the police don't have the resources for that. It's hard enough to get sex trafficker brothels raided and there are loads of "massage parlours" around openly advertising themselves.

You just look stupid now.