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What -if anything- can I say to the school about this?

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ClawedButler · 11/07/2023 17:06

Just had a leaflet home about the external company coming into the primary school to do PSHE. They mention "LGBTQ" issues are covered in a separate leaflet. I requested it, and while I agree with most of what's in there (about sexism and homophobia and discrimination etc.) I am really unsure about what they will be saying about transgenderism. This reads to me that it's being taught as fact, not as an ideology, and it makes transitioning sound like a gentle, benign process.

I'm not happy about this, but don't know how to approach the school, or even if I can?

What -if anything- can I say to the school about this?
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User1437957 · 11/07/2023 20:41

I am wondering if anyone can shed some light. My kids school will be starting jigsaw from September. I had a look at some of the lesson plans. All of the meditation and chiming looks very cult like to me. Also the fact the lessons are wholly scripted doesn’t sit right with me. I have not come across this lesson plan yet. We were given a general overview. I have been looking online at different resources and trying to piece together what this programme is. The website doesn’t give much information about how this programme was constructed and who are the contributors

ThatParent2 · 11/07/2023 20:08

I’d be really interested in Jigsaw’s take on what the Equality Act requires schools to do as various organisations have misrepresented the law in this area. For instance, is a school obliged to treat a pupil who says they are transgender as if they were of the opposite sex? (My understanding is ‘no’ as children cannot apply for a GRC, thus cannot change their legal sex.)

PorcelinaV · 11/07/2023 20:01

You could say that they should also include how children are free to say what they see and not be forced / compelled / bullied into saying things they don't believe and don't believe to be the truth by other people.

Yes, good point. No one should be bullied for social transitioning, but you also can't require everyone else to believe that child X is really a girl or boy.

PorcelinaV · 11/07/2023 19:58

If they are teaching about "discrimination", then they should probably mention that it's highly controversial what does or doesn't amount to unfair discrimination when it comes to transgenderism.

eurochick · 11/07/2023 19:21

I don't think the tone of that is that bad. But they need to be clear on the difference between sex and gender if they are teaching this stuff to kids.

OldCrone · 11/07/2023 19:01

That supposed description of 'transgender' is nonsense.

'A transgender person doesn't feel their body matches with their gender.'

What do they mean by 'gender'? How is their body supposed to match it?

'A person who was born with a male body may feel they are a female.'

Why would they 'feel' this? A person with a male body is a male. If they 'feel they are a female' what is happening here? A delusion? A misunderstanding about what male and female are?

'There can be all sorts of reasons why this happens.'

Oh yes. Some of these are totally unsuited to being discussed in a primary school classroom. But what sort of reasons are they going to present to these children? Stereotypes? 'Born in the wrong body'?

NitroNine · 11/07/2023 18:49

It also sounds as if they may give children the idea one can actually change one’s sex - as well as, as you say, that it is a literally cosmetic process, rather than involving drugs, surgery, & all the implications thereof.

As an aside, how exactly is a child supposed to make sense of “some people feel their body doesn’t match their inner sense of their gender, but they do nothing to change their appearance while expecting others to ‘respect’ their announced new identity”. I don’t understand it. It reminds me slightly of one of those lightbulb-changing jokes: one where the punchline is about moving the whole room round…

Meeting · 11/07/2023 18:39

I'd remove from the lesson or from school that day if this is not an option.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/07/2023 18:36

Jigsaw are very secretive about their materials - typical of a private company maximising their profits. Transgender Trend uncovered a little bit about them here:
https://www.transgendertrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Teaching-gender-ideology-in-schools.pdf

We desperately need clear, age appropriate materials written by those with a knowledge of child development, psychology etc - not commercial materials written by private profit making companies and queer theory activists.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Teaching-gender-ideology-in-schools.pdf

MerlinsLostMarbles · 11/07/2023 18:12

Specifically which part don't you like or agree with?

dimorphism · 11/07/2023 17:42

You could ask them not to promote sex stereotypes that are damaging to all children.

You could also ask them to teach that not everyone believes in an inner 'gender identity' at all, it is widely contested and not fact.

You could say that they should also include how children are free to say what they see and not be forced / compelled / bullied into saying things they don't believe and don't believe to be the truth by other people.

ValancyRedfern · 11/07/2023 17:41

This looks like a Jigsaw resource. They don't come into schools themselves but a lot of schools subscribe to their resources. Lots of threads on here about Jigsaw (including one from me). I successfully got dds school to withdraw a dodgy Yr 2 lesson.

FisherThem · 11/07/2023 17:25

Worrying conflating of sex and gender....

Gobbolinothekitchencat · 11/07/2023 17:25

It would be a reasonable request to ask to view the lesson beforehand. Do they still offer that before the ‘sex’ lesson? Been a few years since had a child in upper primary.

Panicmode1 · 11/07/2023 17:21

I'd have a look at the Safe Schools Alliance website - they had some helpful stuff when I was challenging my (non compliant) school's teaching materials. (Jigsaw have definitely been in trouble on this before now).

Tinysoxx · 11/07/2023 17:14

‘Some transgender people choose to change their appearance or body so their gender matches with how they feel.’
Well that’s confusing. I know I am a woman so I feel like one but my appearance today is quite male presenting as I am wearing Dh’s tshirt. What am I?

I think there is some stuff people can point towards on jigsaw as I have heard that name before.

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