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GC - how to prepare kids

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Embarra55ed · 09/07/2023 15:20

My kids are very young (5 and 3) but I’m conscious that in the not too distant future they’re going to be exposed to all kinds of confusing messages about the world.

I’d like to bring them up with a strong and secure knowledge that their own bodies are perfect and that they can choose to wear whatever clothes, love who they like, do what they want (as long as it doesn’t harm others) without having to change their bodies in any way. I want them to understand that they have a biological sex and it is immutable.

Obviously I’ve started talking about these things in an age appropriate way already, and as I have one of each sex they already understand physical differences, but I wondered if anyone could recommend any good books or other resources that I could use to lay the groundwork before peers and potentially school start trying to brainwash them (sorry if that sounds paranoid!).

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SkaterBrained · 09/07/2023 16:41

"They can wear what they want, love who they want, do what they want’. Apart from deciding that they want to be the other gender."

This is not hypocrisy, as your implying. They also can't decide to be taller, stay babies, grow a third arm, change their eye colour, grow wings and fly... it's just that one biological impossibility now needs to be spelled out.

Fillyourshoes · 09/07/2023 16:40

but I want to make sure they understand that they can’t change sex. And that if my son wants to wear a dress it doesn’t make him female.

there’s no secret magic pill op

just open and frank discussions
and pick the right school

Embarra55ed · 09/07/2023 16:38

Notamum12345577 · 09/07/2023 15:54

’They can wear what they want, love who they want, do what they want’. Apart from deciding that they want to be the other gender.

Well quite, they can decide they want to present as the other gender in terms of clothes or whatever, but I want to make sure they understand that they can’t change sex. And that if my son wants to wear a dress it doesn’t make him female.

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Embarra55ed · 09/07/2023 16:37

Peony654 · 09/07/2023 15:31

The irony. You’re worried about the school brain washing them so you’re going to do it instead… let them make up their own minds

I guess I would agree with this if I thought there was a choice involved. But they’ve been born with a biological sex and they can’t change that. I want to make sure they know that so that they’re not misinformed or confused.

Also agree I don’t want it to be a big lecture or a big conversation when they’re older, or to leave it until exposed more to people online (many of whom may have ulterior motives) hence wanting to lay the groundwork now.

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Notamum12345577 · 09/07/2023 15:54

Embarra55ed · 09/07/2023 15:20

My kids are very young (5 and 3) but I’m conscious that in the not too distant future they’re going to be exposed to all kinds of confusing messages about the world.

I’d like to bring them up with a strong and secure knowledge that their own bodies are perfect and that they can choose to wear whatever clothes, love who they like, do what they want (as long as it doesn’t harm others) without having to change their bodies in any way. I want them to understand that they have a biological sex and it is immutable.

Obviously I’ve started talking about these things in an age appropriate way already, and as I have one of each sex they already understand physical differences, but I wondered if anyone could recommend any good books or other resources that I could use to lay the groundwork before peers and potentially school start trying to brainwash them (sorry if that sounds paranoid!).

’They can wear what they want, love who they want, do what they want’. Apart from deciding that they want to be the other gender.

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 09/07/2023 15:52

DD is 9, I let her make her own choices about clothes/toys, have been consistent about saying that there are no boys or girls clothes/toys, just clothes/toys and whoever likes them can use them.

Over the last couple of years we've been having more conversations about bodies, growing up, puberty etc I've been trying to be very factual about it, 'You are a girl so you will have periods, grow breast,your hips will get wider', boys will grow hair in different places, have a penis instead of a vagina'.......

When she's said she doesn't want periods because they sound disgusting, I've agreed that they do sound a bit disgusting but they're just a bodily function and one that she'll learn to manage, that they have a purpose that might be really important to her later in life if she decides she wants children and is capable of having them. That boys have disgusting body functions too, one isn't better than the other, it's just the way bodies work.

I plan to keep the lines of communication open, answer any questions she has, make sure she knows nothing is out of bounds and that no matter how weird, uncomfortable or personal the topic she can raise it and I'll do the best I can to give her an answer or help her to find one.

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 09/07/2023 15:43

Peony654 · 09/07/2023 15:31

The irony. You’re worried about the school brain washing them so you’re going to do it instead… let them make up their own minds

Is it really brainwashing to say people can't change sex even if they really want to, and to make sure children understand that?

Anyway OP, I just tell my kids that they can wear any clothes but it doesn't make them change sex.
Use silly examples like saying if Daddy put on a dress or Mummy cut all her hair off, would they be a boy or girl, and simple things like that.
My 5-year-old gets confused sometimes, they're into stereotypes at that age, but I make sure he knows he will never change sex. It doesn't have to be a big conversation to start with.

AdultFemaleMorningsider · 09/07/2023 15:37

My Body Is Me - lovely book:

https://www.transgendertrend.com/product/my-body-is-me/

Then talk about stereotypes and the patriarchy (use those words!) so that they know some people think girls shouldn't like getting dirty and boys shouldn't like jewellery etc and isn't that silly but it was useful for enforcing society rules that kept men at the top. Encourage them to spot such things in advertisements etc. Once they get good at it there's a decent chance they'll see it in the Ken/Barbie gender spectrum if they're unfortunate enough ever to have someone try to sell that to them!

My Body is Me! - Transgender Trend

My Body is Me is an upbeat, rhyming picture book, aimed for 3-6 year olds, written by Rachel Rooney and illustrated by Jessica Ahlberg in consultation with TransgenderTrend. It introduces children to the workings of the human body, and celebrates simil...

https://www.transgendertrend.com/product/my-body-is-me

Backstreets · 09/07/2023 15:36

I’m sure you’re familiar with Rachel Rooney’s lovely books! Seem appropriate for the ages :)

I do think the key and main thing as they get older is to monitor screen use.

Fillyourshoes · 09/07/2023 15:36

Heads up OP

if they get a whiff that mum is trying to earnestly lecture and educate them - they’re likely to listen much more closely to the other side of the argument

I have played it very dismissively here. It’s a bit of nonsense that has been allowed to snowball, especially if you’re feeling vulnerable and shit.

they and their friends pretty much came to that conclusion themselves thankfully though

Peony654 · 09/07/2023 15:31

The irony. You’re worried about the school brain washing them so you’re going to do it instead… let them make up their own minds

Fillyourshoes · 09/07/2023 15:29

Poor school if you think they’re going to brain wash them OP

mine is brilliant. Balanced open minded and keen to encourage debate and discourse.