What the gender critical movement is trying to achieve

What the gender critical movement is trying to achieve

The 'gender critical movement' is the default position. I'd like for us to retain our hard won sex based rights.

IMO, trans activism has been an extreme social experiment, and the overall outcome has been negative. All they had to do back then was legalise gay marriage, instead they chose to let people falsify legal documents.

My goal now is to repeal the Gender Recognition Act. The only people who might need a revised birth certificate are those who have a severe difference of sexual development, and that should be between them and their doctor.

Some of those people might be part of other political ‘movements’ with more or less well defined agendas.

But let’s not pretend this is some clash of two opposing movements. It’s not. It’s merely the WTF reaction to a well mobilised on social media movement that wants to change and control many aspects of society.

Of course TRAs want everyone to pretend it’s some coherent ‘movement’ they’re fighting against. But it really isn’t. It’s largely a mishmash group of people who’ve come to realise that the demands of gender ideology are not something they’re happy to accept. Parents worried about their teenagers in school. Women worried about the loss of single sex spaces. Female athletes pushed out by males who want to compete as women. People horrified by what ‘gender medicine’
actually entails. People despairing that the government would put male
rapists in women’s prisons. And so on.

Some people or groups have started to organise to counteract the ideology using ‘be kind’ to sneak changes by under the radar and demonise any dissent. But for the most part there is no ‘gender critical movement’.

The question "what is the end-goal of the gender critical movement" is predicated on a falsehood that not subscribing to gender identity ideology (and therefore being on the outside of the group of 'believers in gender identity ideology') constitutes forming a movement in itself.

The "gender critical movement" is an idea that gender identity ideologues have invented to explain the fact that people still exist who don't believe the gender-based ideas which they hold as fundamental truths. It seems the only way they can fathom that not everyone agrees with their take on gender is to assume that non-believers in their ideology have suddenly adopted a brand new way of thinking and so, in their eyes, it's a lack of belief in gender identity ideology is the weird new religion and is therefore seen as a movement. To them, they are the sensible ones whose views are based on science and it's gender critical people who have all these batshit ideas like biological sex matters.

This is similar to people going around telling non-trans people that we're all "cis" because we must be happy to accept the gender stereotypes and sex-based oppression given that we haven't come out as trans - they can only see things from their own perspectives, so they view non-believers as having started a separate movement because it's the only way to explain the pushback from non-believers without accepting that gender identity is a philosophical belief and not a fact.

Indeed.

I'm not remotely bothered by whether a male is trans or not. They are still male. And I'm not.

I don't want to be the afterthought / other.

I want equal safety and protection. I don't get this by allowing ANY males to ignore biology and suggest it's irrelevant in any situation.

Gender is not sex.

Maybe it’s not a ‘gender critical movement’ but a bunch of miscellaneous people and groups who are resisting the gender ideology movement.

Maybe there is no ‘end game’ or ‘agenda’. Maybe it’s just people who’ve said ‘actually no; you can’t impose your new religion on me’.

Your post is definitely trans-centric, OP. It's not very effective to discuss what 'gender critical' people are trying to achieve by launching into trans this, trans that.

I can only speak for myself. I am trying to achieve the following:

1. That 'sex' means only biological sex
2. That there is separation of the sexes when considered the proper thing to do by the average, sensible person (the erstwhile 'man on the Clapham omnibus').
3. That women (and men) are allowed to meet in single sex groups if desired, in accordance with freedom of association laws.
4. Freedom of speech & expression, subject to it not being inciting violence.
5. Safeguarding not being conflated with discrimination.

For me the basic idea is that gender stereotypes—and that’s what they are—are something for society to overcome, not something that should override biological sex. So anyone who wants to can dress/present however he/she wants but that has no relevance for whether you are a man or a woman. Boys can play with dolls! Girls can be mechanics! None of this requires medical treatment.

(Medical treatment should be available for those that need it. Although I think if we take away the power of stereotypes I think fewer people will feel the need.)

@NotTerfNorCis "In short: genuine transsexuals should be respected"

There was a 'true trans' in my Lesbian group, he loudly announced when he got his willy cut off. He was an utterly obnoxious narcissist and behaved typically like a male, boasting about his car, his money, trying to pick up young girls in bars.

We loathed him

There's no one movement - it's just a case of fighting fires to retain / rescue the sex-based rights we're supposed to have already.

Transsexuals who are cognitively mature and persistent in their belief deserve to be treated with tolerance and kindness. They shouldn't suffer discrimination in jobs or housing. They shouldn't suffer abuse because of their transsexual status. The NHS should support them.

Why is the first objective in your list all about transsexuals?

Also, everyone deserves to be treated with tolerance and respect and be able to access appropriate NHS care, not just "Qualifying Transexuals" - what an odd thing to say.

I should have added...

Do no harm,
Do not allow harm to be done to others.

As others have said, no end goal, this is not a 'movement' more how I would want life to be.

'end goal'

There is no 'end goal'. That suggests we want so sort of nefarious objective and to control others.

No.

Women aren't trying to revolutionise something here.

Recognition that sex is real and discrimination and abuse on the basis of sex is all that's wanted.

Getting that recognition forces protections.

Women being able to call themselves what they want and decide their future free from men's control isn't much. It's just autonomy.

And none of this is the business of males. Of any kind.

Present however you please,
love whoever you please,
live however you please,
accept that sex matters.

Respect others and yourself.

I can't shrug my shoulders at all at this but also I think my eyes are irreversibly damaged by the eye-rolling I've had to do in the last 5 years

"I disagree with point number one. I also disagree with it being put as number 1 @NotTerfNorCis."

Yes. To me this read as a tru-trans monologue in which women and children were (as usual) 2nd to the men feelz

Just shrug your shoulders and move on , and in moving on, roll your eyes behind their backs - the second part is optional.

My view entirely.

Yes exactly!

I disagree with point number one. I also disagree with it being put as number 1 @NotTerfNorCis.

For me, your summary doesn’t go far enough either.
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1. Repeal the GRA.
2. Remove the word ‘gender’ from all statutes. For example, in The Equality Act, ‘gender reassignment’ is a superfluous protected characteristic. The right to defy sex stereotypes is covered by ‘sex’ as a protected characteristic, the right to be free from homophobic harassment (because people assume homosexuality by atypical behaviour or presentation for one’s sex) is covered by the protected characteristic ‘sexual orientation’, the right to believe in genderism is covered by the right to religion or belief.
3. Transitioning children to be a recognised form of child abuse. And for those who have taken part in some way towards the mutilation and sterilisation of children and young people to be prosecuted and heavily punished.
4. Coercing people to pretend you have change sex to be recognised as abuse. This includes gaslighting partners and children or colleagues in the work place.
5. Legal action against schools which indoctrinate children in political propaganda and expose children to inappropriate sexual materials and knowledge.
6. No blockers, cross-sex hormones, surgeries or treatments to give the appearance of being the opposite sex on the NHS.
7. Re-establishment of the correct meanings of words around sex in language and law. This includes male and female, mother and father, boy and girl, etc.
8. The correct sex of people in news reports or sanctions for misinformation.
9. Re-establishment of single-sex services and facilities from hospital wards, schools, through prisons and changing rooms. Mandatory clarity that sex means sex. Legal action against establishments which claim to offer single sex services and facilities, but have a policy of allowing members of the opposite sex to use them.
10. New laws to protect freedom, democracy and prevent regulatory capture. This would cover the Bench Book, the CPS, College of Policing, Ipso, banking, universities and schools, etc, etc.
11. A summit on methods to prevent delusional and misanthropic people from organising to undermine society, democracy and family in future.

For a start.

🙌🙌🙌🙌 common sense...thank you!

Blood and urine tests are par for the course when testing athletes for doping. All watched of course to make sure samples aren't substituted

We've spent the last 3 year with cotton buds down our throats making us retch to test for Covid

A cheek swab to test for testosterone cheating to prove you're XX is not invasive. Anyone saying it is clearly on the side of males in women's sports

The gender critical movement isn't a movement in and of itself - it is a reaction to the erosion of women's rights and the threat to the safeguarding of children. It's a sad fact that equality for women has been trampled all over before it was even fully attained, and many people who call themselves feminists don't even see this.

I think it has always been a vital aim of feminism to dismantle gender roles - the whole pink/blue thing, the "girls are kind and caring, boys are rough and tumble", and so on. I think toxic masculinity is tied up in this. I think homophobia is tied up in this - it's seen as weak and "lesser" to behave "effeminately" - and this is tied into misogyny. If people could reach a stage of recognising the differences between the sexes whilst respecting and celebrating those differences, whilst not forcing gender stereotypes onto anyone, we'd be onto a winner.

We need to reach a stage where anyone can wear what they like without being judged. Imagine being a sensitive man who could wear a skirt and makeup without being considered "girly" and having his sexual orientation questioned - if those things were no big deal for a person of his sex, I don't think it would occur to him that he's "in the wrong body" or "he must be a girl because he likes girl things". If "female clothing" wasn't taboo, would AGP even exist? There would be no illicit thrill to it. If women were held in the same esteem as men, sissification wouldn't exist, because again, there would be no transgressive thrill to it.

Men need to respect women's relative physical weakness as a difference and not something to take advantage of. Women's role as the child-bearing sex needs to be respected and society structured so that raising children is not seen as lesser and "women's work".

I'm not sure where I'm going with this except to say that I think the TRA movement is a symptom of various ills in society, misogyny being the main one. A lot needs to happen to fix this shitshow, and I don't know how we would achieve such a massive shift in thinking. The TRA movement is regressive in so many ways and at least the GC movement is standing up to this and letting the world know that women are not ready to be walked all over. Again. Yet again.