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'Do you currently live in the gender you were given at birth?'

141 replies

Littlesprouts · 08/07/2023 08:04

Saw an interesting vacancy with a big city council so had a nose at the application form.

A very muddled EDI section led to this word salad of an attempt to establish who might be doing the applying. The drop down options are completely baffling. Surely there has to be an easier way? It's put me right off.

'Do you currently live in the gender you were given at birth?'
'Do you currently live in the gender you were given at birth?'
OP posts:
pinklama · 08/07/2023 13:13

I do live in the female gender but not as my mother had hoped. I don't wear frilly shirts, high heels, lots of make up and giggle a lot.

Funny how you never see trans women in jeans, t-shirts and no make up.

SerafinasGoose · 08/07/2023 12:40

swallowedAfly · 08/07/2023 10:52

Even when their cocks are removed they still retain their cock privilege. So much cake and eating it.

The term intersex is as offensive as cis imo btw. How fucking rude.

Also rude to ignore the repeated requests from those with a rare medical condition (and the not-so-rare, none-too-medical state of being a woman) NOT to include us in their relentless identity politicking.

Odd how those demanding respect for their own sacred identities are so incapable of reciprocating that courtesy to others. Including taking the further liberty of branding those who object to their labelling as 'transphobic'.

'Intersex' is so wrong, inaccurate, ignorant and bloody offensive on every conceivable level that it's difficult to know where to start.

FrancescaContini · 08/07/2023 12:11

loislovesstewie · 08/07/2023 10:06

If I can live in a gender could it be one in very good condition as I'm fed up with renovating my standard non gendered housing?

😂😂

2bazookas · 08/07/2023 11:15

@midgetastic · Today 08:08
I live in a house

Yebbut, is it the same house you used to have, or have you moved on?
Have you redecorated your house, or done any extensive alterations to the frontage? Do you use the front door or the back door?

Have you changed its name?

Seamsthesame · 08/07/2023 11:11

On the HCPC EDI form I had to complete recently when I reregistered, the questions where clearer.

What was your sex identified at birth?

Then,
What is your gender indentity now (paraphrased)?
I just choose 'other' which gave me free space to write in, so I put 'I don't believe in the concept of gender identity'.

I'm hoping that there are a good number of other HCP writing similar, otherwise we're all screwed!!

swallowedAfly · 08/07/2023 10:52

literalviolence · 08/07/2023 10:10

No sorry, those are reserved for people with cocks cos they're the important ones.

Even when their cocks are removed they still retain their cock privilege. So much cake and eating it.

The term intersex is as offensive as cis imo btw. How fucking rude.

Littlesprouts · 08/07/2023 10:35

WeWereInParis · 08/07/2023 09:39

I don't even know what the answers mean for trans people, and what the council would take from each answer.

"No - female" is that what a transman would tick? Or a transwoman? Because, to use the council's language (not mine!), the transman was "assigned female at birth" but presumably the transwoman views themselves as female now. Which answer would a transwoman or transman tick? Regardless of ideology, this is surely just a crap question all round.

Exactly! And even if it applied to me I certainly wouldn't want to out myself as eg intersex in such a blunt manner, so what do they really expect?

Unless of course you'd be guaranteed an interview by ticking one of the right boxes? Surely no one would take advantage of that.

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howdoesatoastermaketoast · 08/07/2023 10:33

Is it wrong that I'd want to put 'no' and then ask that I'm still working through trying to understand which gender identity fits me best.

My current (private) short list: agender, nb, cat, gendernull, & neutrois, although sometimes I do some girly things and sometimes I like boy things so maybe I'm genderfluid which is apparently its own innate and immutable gender identity. It is quite hard to understand the difference between them so it is quite hard to figure out which one might be my 'real' gender. Nevertheless it is certainly true that none of which I was assigned or indeed given at birth.

I also feel like you'd get a free pass on the whole pronouns things if people thought you were trans.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 08/07/2023 10:16

Regardless of ideology, this is surely just a crap question all round

In my very first job (Civil Service) I had a manager who told us not to use departmental jargon to the people we interviewed and talked to, because they wouldn't have a clue what we were on about and we'd confuse them. This question is an example of exactly what she meant - written by someone who (presumably) knows what THEY mean by this but hasn't bothered to consider how it's going to be read by someone coming to this from outside. One reason why when you're writing something like this that you hand it to a colleague or a friend and say 'if you were faced with this what would you think and how would you complete it? does it make sense?'

Motorina · 08/07/2023 10:15

Gateappreciation · 08/07/2023 08:59

i’m wearing blue but also a bra - so which gender ‘am I living in’

Is your bra a slightly saggy beige one, designed to stop your knockers hitting your knees? Or is it all red lace and gender euphoria?

Beige: person with vagina
Red lace: woman, all the way.

Backstreets · 08/07/2023 10:14

What are the mortgages like, because I live in a flat and it’s getting pretty dear. I could live in a gender. Do haircut restrictions apply

KPops22 · 08/07/2023 10:12

😂😂😂😂

literalviolence · 08/07/2023 10:10

loislovesstewie · 08/07/2023 10:06

If I can live in a gender could it be one in very good condition as I'm fed up with renovating my standard non gendered housing?

No sorry, those are reserved for people with cocks cos they're the important ones.

AlisonDonut · 08/07/2023 10:10

We don't have this bullshit in France, it just says 'gender' which is allowable here where everything has a goddam gender!

AlisonDonut · 08/07/2023 10:09

swallowedAfly · 08/07/2023 09:18

Saying all of the post above would be a great response on the phone - guessing the fields on internet forms wouldn't allow enough characters for my real response though.

Send an email to the help desk asking before you finish off the form. Or call and ask.

loislovesstewie · 08/07/2023 10:06

If I can live in a gender could it be one in very good condition as I'm fed up with renovating my standard non gendered housing?

70sTomboy · 08/07/2023 10:01

Jeeze...in the future, I hope there are studies into the collective madness and stupidity. How has this stuff ever gained traction? I know they say IQ levels are lowering, but this is ridiculous. All the individuals I know who spout this stuff admit to mental health issues. Why on earth are we not dealing with the mental health crisis fueling this rubbish. It can not be money, this rubbish will be costly too.

swallowedAfly · 08/07/2023 09:44

literalviolence · 08/07/2023 09:39

I live in a house and it was hellish to raise the money to buy. Why did no-one give me a gender at birth so I can live in that? Sounds much easier though I'm not sure how big they are.

I'm still renting. Are these genders still free or heavily subsidised? It would save me a fortune.

I actually feel sorry for the people asking these questions. I want to say I am not part of the religion you're referring to and refuse to participate in it's rituals BUT on the other end of the phone there'll be some minimum wage person whose computer won't allow her to proceed without putting something in the box.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 08/07/2023 09:42

Given by whom?

WeWereInParis · 08/07/2023 09:39

I don't even know what the answers mean for trans people, and what the council would take from each answer.

"No - female" is that what a transman would tick? Or a transwoman? Because, to use the council's language (not mine!), the transman was "assigned female at birth" but presumably the transwoman views themselves as female now. Which answer would a transwoman or transman tick? Regardless of ideology, this is surely just a crap question all round.

literalviolence · 08/07/2023 09:39

I live in a house and it was hellish to raise the money to buy. Why did no-one give me a gender at birth so I can live in that? Sounds much easier though I'm not sure how big they are.

pinklama · 08/07/2023 09:37

This has got completely out of hand. Banks are for banking - they should not be getting involved in anyone's gender. Same with employers - gender should be left at the door and should provide single sex spaces.

The same way women are vilified, called TERFS and receive death threats for challenging any trans person should be the same for men. If a trans woman uses male facilities and experiences an 'uncomfortable incident' - welcome to womanhood. We have had to deal with this shit for a long time.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 08/07/2023 09:34

nettie434 · 08/07/2023 09:31

I was asked that too. To be fair, the person did apologise and prefaced the question with 'I've got to ask everyone this'.

I did have some sympathy because a) she probably knew it was a stupid question and b) I was probably the 100th person that day to give her the raised eyebrow and the 'wtf, are you serious?' look.

nettie434 · 08/07/2023 09:31

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 08/07/2023 08:41

I’m laughing at asking a man if he could be pregnant

Got that when I had my covid jab (67 at the time). I looked at the nurse and said 'I'm 67, what do YOU think?' and she snapped that she had to ask. Surely when they're filling in the forms it's not beyond their IT to exclude that question based on the age being input?

I was asked that too. To be fair, the person did apologise and prefaced the question with 'I've got to ask everyone this'.

RubyTrees · 08/07/2023 09:27

If you really wanted to apply you could always choose the hardcopy option and leave the gender bollocks question blank.