Radio 4. Right now. Is freaking me out.

This is a male supremacist movement, more people are seeing this every single day.

Good to see the holier than thou, condescending, sneering mask has fallen, and the misogynistic trans rights activist is revealed.

Hate?

Because women and girls say no to males in their spaces

Why do you call that hate?

Is it because males are more important to you and women and girls just lower down

I can’t see how anyone who cares about women could frame it in this way

Now you're just being insulting. Maybe it's not us, it's you.

Nothing to do with that. I’m laughing because you’re so self righteous. And because once again MN have taken a stance against the hate.

What has been nasty??

Women being rightfully worried about 50% of the population?

I can't understand how the word 'hate' has been redefined in this context. I don't hate trans people in any way, shape or form. I wish them nothing but the best with their lives!

It's just really, really silly. Concerns expressed here are totally valid.

No one posting on here (as far as I'm aware) actually gives a shit about how other people live their lives, indeed it seems we are for the most part, liberal people.

But safeguarding is important!
And most of this debate is very, very basic safeguarding.

Why does this make you laugh?

Females who don’t want males in their spaces, who could have serious reasons for that and you laugh?

What have you been so influenced by to prioritise males and care so little about women and girls?

It's odd that you're laughing, yesterday you were crying about people calling males male 🤷‍♀️

Twitter level.

No, it’s because it’s a horrible thread, even for AIBU. You’ve done nothing but sea lion, attack ad hominem and be nasty. It’s a shame, because a few of you have really important stuff to say. But never mind. You can wallow in self righteousness whilst the rest of us laugh.

Ok sweetcheeks. Totes.

@OnePotPolly have they told you why they moved your thread?

If you have agonising pelvic pain from SPD you are told you can take the full, max dose of paracetamol spaced over 24 hours to optimise the pain relief for as long as you need it. Which can mean weeks, even months if your symptoms start early. Mine started at 20 weeks with my first pregnancy.

I think calling it a tactic might be over-estimating the brainpower being devoted to this tbh 😂

”you refer me” do you? The pomposity of it. Quite unbelievable.
as stated, if you want to contend that womanhood is defined by non-biological criteria, it’s on you to tell us what they are. You won’t, because you can’t. So no one is going to take you seriously however much you bloviate.

I thought MN had got past this sort of censorship. They are certainly not on the right side of history with this sort of shit - gender critical beliefs being protected and mainstream and all that - and didn't even bother with an explanatory message.

To prevent too many people seeing it. Has to be the only answer. Like the BBC, MN doesn't like these issues to be debated where many people can see them.

Unbelievable

High yanbu votes upsetting the complainers

Why has this been moved from
AIBU???

It's quite obvious that this poster identifies as being right, and morally superior to other women, if indeed they are a woman. I don't think they care enough about whether they are actually right about it all to inform themselves by reading around the subject more widely. I'm doing this for bystanders and lurkers.

Males are not females in any world; especially the real world which most people inhabit. Women are adult human females. Transwomen are adult human males who for whatever reason like to present in a streotypical feminine way.

I'm sorry if you feel that is cruel. But truth sometimes hurts.

A male gaze is one that belongs to a male, no matter how they identify. That is not a "position", it is a simple fact.

@Bingbangbongbash it doesn’t matter if you see it as male gaze- some women being comfortable with tw in female spaces doesn’t override those that are. A female (or male) changing room isn’t a neutral space like a field or a bus, it has a default setting for which it was designed. Therefore it should not have its default setting changed unless possibly a majority of users want it to be. I say possibly because there are hundreds of odd and unique situations in the real world.

Also, male gaze is the product of primary and secondary socialisation of male children in a patriarchal, man centred society. Tw may not identify with their male bodies and transition at some point (although many don’t, they just choose to say their penis is a female penis), but that doesn’t alter their male gaze- it’s the socialisation they have gone through. Anne Oakley is a good source for reading on socialisation.

This is why the loudest, most aggressive and threatening voices in the trans rights lobby are people who were born and socialised as male- they have the entitlement that men are taught to have.

Every time you post this. Just hide it.

It’s not hard.