Radio 4. Right now. Is freaking me out.

@StellaJohanna

It's interesting as well as deeply worrying about how and why it's drifted from it's main cause!

It's worrying because it's so contaminated.

Where do they recruit from? Who is in charge of hr?

Well the committed might be enough for them.

I used to prefer The Guardian and bought it every Saturday. It might come up on a quick google but it’s definitely fallen away as the go to. I also think they manipulate according to their agenda. And yes so do other papers.

I get you’re on some sort of trying to cut people down high but it’s not really hitting home. I’m fine with my skills and what you think of them really couldn’t matter less.

@Bingbangbongbash

"I hear the bbc has high levels of trust and the guardian"

🤣🤣🤣.

Oh dear.

Both the guardian and the daily Mail make their website content available for free as do the BBC

funnily enough more people read free news sites than ones they have to subscribe too.

@Bingbangbongbash
. I'm not so sure anymore.

I'm an older lady who has been listening to radio 4 for a extremely long time.

It's critical that the bbc remains a liberal in between intelligently considered media outlet and it's changed.

Just like the guardian although of course it's bias is well known.

When one is taught to question everything, one notices.

The far left and far right meet in the middle. I tend to steer well away from these types.

it wasn’t women who didn’t want a middle way or third spaces, it wasn’t women who screamed NO DEBATE!! everytime women said “um maybe allowing men to self ID into women’s spaces might need a bit of thought”.

We are where we are because Stonewall decided that TW were not TW but actual literal women and once they entrenched there then what we’re women supposed to do? Just hand over a single sex spaces and change the definition of words to appease a tiny minority of men?

“Only the very committed will bother” suggests that you think the listenership will dwindle to some small level from the existing multimillions. That would be, in anyone’s book, people leaving in droves.

it’s ok not to be very good at debate - but perhaps to sharpen your skills you could try some alternative media outlets. I hear the BBC and Guardian have high levels of trust from their largely educated, professional audiences. Maybe there’s something in it for you?

Really? I'm a lesbian and I'm seeing far more abuse to LGB now we're lumped in (involuntarily) with the TQ+ than I used to. Only the other day someone said to me 'I've had it up to here with your lot'. When I asked what lot she meant, she said 'All you queers and non-binary and trans lot.' As someone who attended the early, political Pride marches and fought for equal rights for LGB people I find being called queer and lumped in with straight people who want to look a bit more interesting really offensive. And when I say that out loud in public I get told I'm a bigot and hateful.

The staff at the Tavistock gender clinic used to joke among themselves that soon there'd be no lesbian or gay young people left, because so many were being referred to the clinic for hormones that would leave them sterile. Those kids were taken to the Tavi by parents like Susie Green of Mermaids, who on a TED talk stated very clearly that she and her husband didn't want an effeminate, possibly gay, boy and so put him on cross-sex hormones and through surgery at 16 to make him a 'girl'.

Homophobia, misognyny and autogynephilia explain 98% of the TQ+ movement. Are you happy to be supporting homophobic and misogynistic men? Go and google autogynephilia, which accounts for the vast, vast majority of transwomen.

@Rosietheravisher I suggest that you look at the court cases involving and govt report into the Tavistock gender clinic, and the children who were being called trans. Read some stories of detransitioners like Kiera Bell. See also the numbers of girls with undiagnosed autism, and children with a family history of abuse going down this route. And if you want to see an extreme case, look at Iran, where gay men can pretty much only survive by transing.

R4 is within that bandwidth, so you should be ok to get it on your system.

Any Questions, Any Answers, You andYours, DIDs, Costing The Earth, It’s a Fair Cop, Just a Minute, the radio plays, Reith Lectures, Life Scientific, In Our Time, and some amazing programmes like Robert Carlyle’s What Really Happened in the 90’s and one on radio in US prisons that made me cry. There are many amazing programmes. We’re not going to like or agree with them all. Evan Davies, IMO, is a smug sexist git but there are others who are more intelligent.

But don’t let all those amazing programmes be lost or dismissed out of hand. Tell the BBC your concerns about its programming. Thousands of people do and (sometimes) they listen.

I have switched off from most BBC channels due to their overbearing wokeness of recent times.

‘I want a baby and I’m having one regardless’

My two young great nieces where fathered by a man who decide at the age of 40 he was a woman and from now on was to be referred to as ‘Claire’.
Claire suddenly went from having around 50 FB friends to over 1000, most of whom are trans rights activists. This person now appears to despise women even though they claim to be one themselves. Spends most of their spare time slagging of JKR and anyone who dares to agree with her. This person will stand and argue with you about how trans rights override those of natural born sexes yet refuses to acknowledge their original gender which actually allowed them to father 3 children (this person also has a ds who now refuses to see ‘Claire’).
’She’ appears have no regards for ‘her’ dc feelings over this. They are being teased at school because when 6 foot 3, heavily built ‘Claire’ comes and collects them from school, their friends want to know who that person is. ‘She’ stands out from the crowd. ‘She’ is their father but they can no longer tell people this so he’s now just ‘Claire’.
Trans people are not thinking longer term when deciding to procreate, the emotional damage this will cause their dc in the future is irreparable. Fine, if you need to live your life as the other gender who am I to judge but please do not bring children into your world, I am seeing the damage it is doing, on that subject I will judge and continue to judge you for I have seen the impact it has on dc.

Of course it’s concerning if anyone is taking unprescribed or contraindicated drugs when pregnant. But are TM doing this when pregnant? All the guidelines I can see online suggests that testosterone therapy should be stopped before & during pregnancy. Intramuscular testosterone leaves the system after about a week.

So I don’t really understand the concern. Unless you think TM are, as a group, deliberately putting the health of their babies at risk by continuing to take hormones. In which case, first, I’d like to see how evidence, and second I’d like to see it treated like drug abusing women - a healthcare issue requiring intervention and support.

Yet another person who was brought up in a household with Radio 4 on all the time and have learned a lot from it and loved it. Apart from Emma Barnett on Woman's Hour (who left to have a baby) and Just Webb on Today, who has stuck to science and biology and facts, the whole of the BBC has been captured by this cult-like belief that by changing language you can change reality. If someone conceives and gives birth to a child then they are a woman, no matter how much you fiddle with language. It's an absolute tragedy that the whole of the BBC has been tainted by this. It's as if people who believe the earth is flat have taken it over. People saw what happened to Jenni Murray, who questioned trans ideology, and they let the lies in. The BBC's good reputation is in ruins.

@Bingbangbongbash This post was about people frothing about the drugs used to induce lactation and how they might affect the baby. I was pointing out that they are used for inducing lactation in natal women, not just transwomen, so any concern should be equally levelled at both. I guess it isn’t as fun to call the lesbians out, though.

So are you saying that if a lesbian couple have a baby, the partner who didn't give birth to the baby, is given medication to induce lactation ?

I guess you'll have to learn to go through life not expecting everyone to share your view or opinion then. Or are you insisting the national radio station can only discuss things you 100% agree with?

I can’t get behind this. It seems to me that trans men and women receive far more abuse than gays or lesbians. It is as though we have switched scapegoats.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, there are good reasons why the use of Domperidone (which is not a frigging Vaccine anyway, so that comparison by the PP was completely and utterly irrelevant) by birth mothers is tightly monitored by healthcare professionals.

It’s banned completely in the US, but the NHS judges the benefits to a baby’s immune system (granted only by Mum) outweigh the risks. Non-birthing parents (male or female) don’t pass on these benefits.

And a far better comparison (than Covid or similar vaccines) would be the lack of understanding of the long term consequences of Thalidomide when released. Totally safe and hyped as the ‘wonder drug’ of its time.

Timea Radio has some really excellent political and news analysis. Much more indepth and balanced than Radio 4.

Just realised this is in AIBU.

At least the majority vote is yanbu

YABVU

HTH

Not really. The quoted figure was accurate it’s you extrapolated from that talking about ‘droves’

That and ‘frothing’ in pp you seem worked up by this thread.

People will switch and can talk about why. But feel free to address other posters, there’s not much in this.

@Bingbangbongbash

My dial does nt go far right unfortunately nor far left.

It likes to sit in the reasoned, rational middle.

For a transman to become pregnant and safely carry and birth a baby, its no light matter, everything is carefully monitored, he preps in advance by stopping testosterone and it's really not taken lightly. Testosterone isn't taken during the pregnancy at all. Neither is it, if he will be feeding the baby himself.

I think you mean "If SHE will be feeding the baby HERSELF"

Transmen are women. Please don't be drawn down the slippery path of preferred pronouns.

I grew up with Radio 4, my mum loved it and listened to The Archers, Woman's Hour, World at One etc, so I always did too.

I enjoyed Woman's Hour with Jenni and Jane but have really struggled since and now haven't listened for a couple of years. Not discussing anything to do with GRA, women in sport, men in women's prisons etc for YEARS when it was a glaring omission was ridiculous.

I used to enjoy Fortunately with Fi and Jane but again, they were overly positive and lacking in critical analysis or challenge on feminist issue and it grated too much in the end. Their interview was Paris Lees was a real let down.

The Archers turned into absolute drivel. I don't think my mum particularly listens any more, ending a decades long habit.

The lack of headlines about court cases like Allison Bailey's. The unquestioning reporting of male crimes as perpetrated by women etc meant that Today/PM led me to wonder what else they weren't telling me.

I listen to Podcasts mostly now, with Times Radio to wake up to. Literally can't remember the last time I tuned into R4 (and my car used to be permanently on it).