WTF is "body-feeding"?

As above: it has happened, it is happening. It's about five years too late for this kind of wishful thinking.

And this has nothing to do with what most trans people want, it has to do with a powerful political lobby who are committed to imposing Critical Theory forcibly on society. This agenda comprises people with a range of agendas, but respect for others, inclusiveness, belief in the equality of women and the right of children to safeguarding is not part of any of them. It is also interesting to note that many, MANY of the most powerful and influential voices busy pushing this narrative are not themselves transgender. They will benefit in many other ways. Some deeply concerning ways if you are someone who believes in equality, social justice and the humanity of all people. Stuff like that.

It was happening, it is still happening in a lot of places. The only reason some organisations still hang on to the sex based wordings is because women protested.

I mean, you can stick your fingers in your ears and ignore it, and berate women who are fed up with it and express those feelings, but every time a main stream media has articles like these advocating for changing of language to appease a small group, it is another step towrds that middle of the unjust man.

What is it?

Bullshit. That's what it is.

Because that won't happen. The vast majority of trans people don't want that to happen. It's a moot point.

Both authors note that the ideal wouldn’t necessarily replicate the cishet “informational cascade”
Form the article as well. How can you not argue that the goal of this article and of the people mentioned in it, is to replace the 'cishet' usage of language? How else can you achieve their goal? If you do not replace the current sex based information regarding to pregnancy, birth and breastfeeding, the majority of information will always be aimed at female people with no regard to gender so will otherwise always be 'cishet'.

@Froodwithatowel. I disagree. I get the argument. But I have a massive problem with people using real issues as a smoke screen for pearl clutching bigotry.

Then what the hell is your problem with a trans women using different language to you?!?

'Yuk, someone thinks differently to me, let's post about how terrible it is on mumsnet'

Yeah.

If you can keep your head when all about you appear to be losing theirs?

You have not fully understood the situation.

@forkshoo your refusal to actually read what we are trying to explain just highlights how closed minded you are.

I have zero issue with trans people. Most people on FWR will say the same. We are not bigots, we are standing up for women and girls., especially the ones who cannot see how fundamentally misogynistic and homophobic gender identity ideology is. We can talk about women’s rights without being bigoted.

*obviously i mean short. But who doesn't love a shirt dress

@MagpiePi ah the classic argument of using the extremes of a sub group as an excuse to spew bigotry against the lot of them. I can think of lots of other times in history when this logic has been used against minorities. You are no different.

Yes, language can't be policed. So anyone can use whatever pronouns they like to describe someone else. But it is polite to take into account offence.

Please can you all stop using the risk to women's rights as a smoke screen for your bigotry!

Who TF cares that a trans person calls breastfeeding body feeding??? What matters is that the NHS doesn't do it.

Who TF cares that some trans women dress in shirt dresses and wear too much makeup? What matters is that men aren't placed in women's prisons.

Check your bigotry people!

Men have virtually no breast tissue: they have nipples but not a lot else unless they have a hormonal disorder or are very overweight.

When you consider that men have breast tissue, so there's nothing unmanly about breast feeding, and then we've had chest feeding, and now that isn't ok either so we're moving to body feeding....

This isn't about body dysphoria, is it? How do we get nutrition and connection into a child in a way that is even more detached from physical body? Wouldn't we say to any other mother in this much distress about breastfeeding, look love it's fine to just pick up a bottle, do not drive yourself mad. If your baby's healthy, fed and happy you've done a good job.

"Bodyfeeding" zombie talk for people who hate their bodies.

@WhatWouldKimDealDo, you are hopelessly out of touch. Most kids these days regard their attention seeking pronoun lobby activist classmates as exactly what they are... faddy and a bit gullible.

I had no idea what "body-feeding" was until I read this thread. It's breast-feeding". Always has been; always will be.

This is not about transgender people, this is about the TQ+ political lobby. Which is driving anti-women and anti-child safeguarding policy, trying to get it into law, has alarming control over the media and is working on the capture of everything to its own agenda. Through articles like this. And well intentioned people not realising they're being manipulated.

This TQ+ political lobby relies on people going awww but the trans person I know is nice so they must need this so this must be ok. Not realising how the TQ+ political lobby treats transgender people who dare to say 'hang on a minute, there's a problem with what you're saying/doing in my name' or 'I don't agree'.

So insisting we all call a man in a dress ‘she’, and talking about ‘her penis’ in rape trials, and a man taking a cocktail of drugs and hormones and feeding the resulting gunk to a baby a ‘breastfeeding mother’, isn’t policing language, but refusing to use these words because they are lies is policing language?

🙄

Forkshoo, it is the simple saying:

Meet me in the middle says the unjust man.
You take a step forward, he takes a step back
Meet me in the middle says the unjust man

And why do people always assume we don't know transgender people? Most of us do and no, not all of them are 'nice and lovely people with no political agenda'

As to this debate of bodyfeeding vs breastfeeding, in a week whereby a man is celebrated for suggesting he can can breastfeed a baby by taking a dangerous cocktail of drugs, whilst women are berated if they take more than paracetamol when breastfeeding, the hypocrisy and double standards is getting too grating and so is the choice of words is getting harder.

“That’s mad!” @forkshoo

Yep, pretty much sums it all up.

And lets call this what it is. It is a term used by people who have a significant difficulty with their physical reality, for an activity involving a child.

Yes. When it starts to affect other people, yes you bloody well can.

This kind of sentimental don't judge no policing no boundaries bull is why lesbians have gone underground, women have been raped in prisons and babies are being used by male people for breastfeeding simulated experiences. All of which have been enabled by very stupid 'niceness'.

Fgs get a grip.

Why do you think it was stopped? It wasnt stonewall who stopped the spread of chest feeding as a term for an age old act that hasn’t changed, it was women and men like those who use this board highlighting the catastrophic effects that changing language can have. Then another term starts to get changed and the fight to stop starts over again. It isn’t just as simple as they’ve stopped doing that now so no problem.

body feeding- when does that begin to include other fluids, everyone will say that’s not what will happen, but I’m cynical.

@forkshoo but they are trying to police what language we use, that is the whole point. It’s not as simple as you suggest. This is a line and the more we give the more the line moves and our sex based rights go with it.

Throughout history that’s how bad things happened. Bit by bit so you don’t notice how bad it is until it’s far too late.

Agreed. No problem with an individual using body feeding or chest feeding if that's what they are comfortable with.

As far as I can see, not the case with this article. It's not a quote from someone in the article. It's a photo caption - in Vogue, a major international publication.

So...yes. I think I am allowed an opinion on that.