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Scots gender equality campaigner has bank account closed by RBS after 32 years

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IwantToRetire · 05/07/2023 17:48

Professor Lesley Sawers and her husband Allan McKechnie have been told she has a 'mark against her name', apparently as a result of her work on gender and LGBT issues

Since the couple were put on notice they have held talks with a rival bank only to be told Prof Sawers had a "mark against her name", despite their account having a healthy balance of thousands of pounds.

There is an article about this in the Times, ie behind a paywall so this is the Scotttish Daily Express version. https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/uk-news/scots-gender-equality-campaigner-bank-30398305

Times link https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/natwest-closes-gender-equality-campaigner-s-account-83srm0d7x

Gender equality campaigner has bank account closed by RBS after 32 years

Professor Lesley Sawers and her husband Allan McKechnie have been told she has a 'mark against her name', apparently as a result of her work on gender and LGBT issues

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/uk-news/scots-gender-equality-campaigner-bank-30398305

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AlisonDonut · 05/07/2023 22:16

Aaron95 · 05/07/2023 22:09

I'm not one to defend Farage but the amount of money he had in the bank was at the same level it had been for years. His account was closed for being a "politically exposed person" (PEP).

That's simply not true. Coutts closed his account because he didn't meet the minimum deposit/investment requirements which are around £3 million. There are numerous reports confirming this.

Which he had had for years.

nauticant · 05/07/2023 22:16

Have Coutts finally issued a statement confirming this or are they still in the mode of planting stories in the Press from "well-placed sources in the bank"?

Aaron95 · 05/07/2023 22:09

I'm not one to defend Farage but the amount of money he had in the bank was at the same level it had been for years. His account was closed for being a "politically exposed person" (PEP).

That's simply not true. Coutts closed his account because he didn't meet the minimum deposit/investment requirements which are around £3 million. There are numerous reports confirming this.

NecessaryScene · 05/07/2023 21:48

Surely this a new kind of fascism?

Absolutely. Or at least totalitarianism. Strip out the point-of-view value judgements in the paragraph above, and it becomes clearer.

Actors across the spectrum of financial services can be a force in this area. Institutions large and small can use their business decisions, their innovation and creativity, and their voice and their influence, to encourage change.

Heaven forbid that they should be providing services, rather than "encouraging" change.

StopStartStop · 05/07/2023 21:45

Toseland · 05/07/2023 18:34

Surely this a new kind of fascism?
Not being able to have a bank account because of your political views is outrageous!

I agree.

NecessaryScene · 05/07/2023 21:30

Wondering about the timing of this - quite a few banks all seeming to be getting choosy about customers - I found a few pieces about the FCA tightening ESG rules in the last year.

Emphasis in the reports was about "greenwashing" environmental claims, but it's clear that they're considering stuff beyond that.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-25/esg-funds-face-uk-regulatory-crackdown-in-anti-greenwash-drive

https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/uk-financial-watchdog-slams-poor-disclosures-by-esg-benchmark-compilers-2023-03-20/

From the FCA's own page:

https://www.fca.org.uk/publications/corporate-documents/strategy-positive-change-our-esg-priorities

Companies and consumers are increasingly looking beyond climate change too. They are also considering wider environmental issues, such as nature and biodiversity, as well as social and governance issues, such as diversity and inclusion, the living wage, fair taxation and supply chains. And there is growing attention on the need for a 'just transition', which considers the social consequences of the shift to a net zero economy.

Actors across the spectrum of financial services can be a force for good in this area. Institutions large and small can use their business decisions, their innovation and creativity, and their voice and their influence, to encourage positive change.

That's pretty fucking terrifying, IMO.

JanesLittleGirl · 05/07/2023 21:23

Chersfrozenface · 05/07/2023 19:28

These cases are blatant examples of discrimination in the provision of goods and services on the basis of a protected characteristic, i.e. religion or belief.

Time for the EHRC to send a shot across the banks' bows.

Never mind the EHRC, the FCA should be giving them a right kicking. Oh, wait, that would be the totally Stonewalled FCA.

duc748 · 05/07/2023 21:15

It also emerged yesterday that NatWest is allowing staff to go to work identifying as men and women on different days as part of LGBT-friendly measures. The bank has offered double-sided lanyards to staff who identify as non-binary, meaning neither male nor female.

That bit reads like something out of The Onion! 😀But of course it's no laughing matter. Chuck in the Mexican drug cartels that the banks grew fat on too. And they have the front to browbeat their customers?

Bewilderedandhurt · 05/07/2023 20:49

This is the trouble with the social agenda at the moment. If you even question or debate the Liberal view you are cancelled and shouted down.
Everyone has opinions and should be able to voice them, stifling debate is not healthy or democratic.

Bewilderedandhurt · 05/07/2023 20:46

This is the trouble with the social agenda at

IwantToRetire · 05/07/2023 20:33

From the Times article:

RBS added that it was “not able to discuss this decision with you or provide you with any further information in relation to our decision-making”. … they had spoken to another bank about an account only to be told that Sawers has a “mark against her name”.

Metro Bank later wrote an email claiming that it “doesn’t currently allow organisations to receive donations if not a registered charity, and for community groups to be linked to, or influence political policies or legislation”.

It also emerged yesterday that NatWest is allowing staff to go to work identifying as men and women on different days as part of LGBT-friendly measures. The bank has offered double-sided lanyards to staff who identify as non-binary, meaning neither male nor female.

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IwantToRetire · 05/07/2023 20:27

I'm not one to defend Farage but the amount of money he had in the bank was at the same level it had been for years. His account was closed for being a "politically exposed person" (PEP).

And presumably this is what has happened in this case, and the ones mentioned up thread.

We need to find out how Banks are assessing people to be PEPs and also, on the basis that we have the right to free speech in the UK, they can use their commercial monopoly to say who can or cant operate in the UK.

If someone who is an Equalities and Women's Rights commissioner is a PEP where does that leave us.

And although some of us might get a laugh out of Farage when it means small groups or lone individuals could be ostricised from financial services, this is an encroachment on our private lives.

And if, as some of us might suspect, it is because some lone Stonewall trained employee is dobbing people in, the Banks need to be exposed for failing to behave in a professional manner, and allowing politics to take precedence over what are the stated aims of the company. I bet nowhere in the rules and regulations does it talk about the right not to have customers whose politics they dont like.

And how many of these banks are cashing in on Russian oligarch money, or Gulf oil money.

The worry is that if they have share holders it may well be the case that these shareholders may also have been Stonewalled and think the actions of the bank are totally justified.

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BettyFilous · 05/07/2023 20:07

Time for some subject access requests to go in.

mcduffy · 05/07/2023 20:03

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RBS closes gender equality campaigner’s bank account

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b4d26da6-1aa0-11ee-8198-bf96b6365670?shareToken=2ee6105e398c0564e3f80effd51d6a27

Chersfrozenface · 05/07/2023 20:01

duc748 · 05/07/2023 19:59

I'm reading an archived copy of the Times piece right now; it also mentions the Metro bank

It emerged yesterday that Our Duty, a support group for parents who want to protect their children from gender ideology, had been denied a business account by Metro Bank. The retail and commercial bank, which was made a “diversity champion” by the LGBT lobby group Stonewall, allegedly told the group that “the content of your website conflicts with the culture and ideas we are pushing”.

That is definitely an example of discrimination in the provision of goods and services on the basis of religion or belief.

duc748 · 05/07/2023 19:59

I'm reading an archived copy of the Times piece right now; it also mentions the Metro bank

It emerged yesterday that Our Duty, a support group for parents who want to protect their children from gender ideology, had been denied a business account by Metro Bank. The retail and commercial bank, which was made a “diversity champion” by the LGBT lobby group Stonewall, allegedly told the group that “the content of your website conflicts with the culture and ideas we are pushing”.

AmuseBish · 05/07/2023 19:46

Chersfrozenface · 05/07/2023 19:38

Then banks need to be forced to disclose to customers why their accounts ard being closed.

I think the argument is that that would expose the metrics they use to assess risk, and frauds could get around them.

There was a story about air bnb permanently closing the account of someone in a sort of similar situation - they lost the rental income they were relying on. No-one human would look at the case until the media got involved.

Chersfrozenface · 05/07/2023 19:38

AmuseBish · 05/07/2023 19:34

The Express story is barely readable due to ads loading, but all I can see is "apparently" and guesses about reasons rather than any communication from the bank.

I'd reserve judgement at the moment - obviously it's still a shitty thing to happen to any honest person, but it does happen a lot regardless of what the charity is.

Then banks need to be forced to disclose to customers why their accounts ard being closed.

Aaron95 · 05/07/2023 19:37

Chersfrozenface · 05/07/2023 19:06

Do you have a problem with comprehension?

This thread is about Professor Lesley Sawers and her husband Allan McKechnie. Not Nigel Farage

The stories are very similar. Farage claimed his account was closed due to his political views.

Turned out to be bullshit - they closed his account because he didn't have enough money.

AmuseBish · 05/07/2023 19:34

The Express story is barely readable due to ads loading, but all I can see is "apparently" and guesses about reasons rather than any communication from the bank.

I'd reserve judgement at the moment - obviously it's still a shitty thing to happen to any honest person, but it does happen a lot regardless of what the charity is.

AmuseBish · 05/07/2023 19:31

I've been reading about this happening for a really long time, in various Money/ Consumer Affairs sections of papers - i.e. bank accounts closing, often of charities or non-profits, but also individuals, for reasons they won't disclose.

It won't be related to their views necessarily, but some combination of actions that has triggered some security algorithm.

I can only see the truncated story in the Times - is there any indication this isn't the case here?

Chersfrozenface · 05/07/2023 19:28

These cases are blatant examples of discrimination in the provision of goods and services on the basis of a protected characteristic, i.e. religion or belief.

Time for the EHRC to send a shot across the banks' bows.

AlisonDonut · 05/07/2023 19:24

There has to be some sort of potential class action against all the banks.

This is what happens when your ESG score is more important than the reason you exist.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/07/2023 19:18

Metro Bank appear to have been very open with a gender critical parent's group that "the content of your website conflicts with the culture and ideas we are pushing" Apparently Metro have just become members of the controversial charity Stonewall that spends so much time challenging women's rights and persuading children that drugs and surgery is great to fix their "wrong bodies" so this group would not meet with Stonewall's approval

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/04/metro-bank-denies-gender-critical-parents-group-account/

Metro Bank ‘prevents gender-critical parents’ group from opening account’

Our Duty consists of more than 2,000 parents who believe that it’s harmful for transgender children to undergo a medical transition

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/04/metro-bank-denies-gender-critical-parents-group-account

Chersfrozenface · 05/07/2023 19:06

Aaron95 · 05/07/2023 19:02

There has to be more to this story. Banks don't remove your account because you have controversial views. They don't even close your account if you go to jail.

I suspect like Mr Farage and his bank account there is something we are not being told.

Do you have a problem with comprehension?

This thread is about Professor Lesley Sawers and her husband Allan McKechnie. Not Nigel Farage