Elliot Page on Elizabeth Day

This person isn't identifying as a man, they're identifying out of being a woman in the hope of escaping the horrible trauma inflicted upon them as a young female. I'm not sure trauma works like that, but wish Page the best.

What ‘missed opportunities’? Becoming a world renown actress earning millions of $$$? Nobody gets any of the time they have lived back.

I guess the point is how can Trans Men hate women if they used to be a woman.

The same way lots of other women hate women? The internalised misogyny of millenia is hard to shake off.

Possibly. I won't be apologizing for feeling fear of large, angry men who become violently agitated at the first sign you aren't worshipping at their oh so feminine size 11 feet, though.

Maybe if you're browsing twitter it might seem like that but I just don't see it in real life. I can't think of any Trans Woman I know who would fit this description. I'm sure it exists don't get me wrong but it's a bit of a broad generalisation don't you think?

I do agree with the Trans Male point though. I have a Trans Male friend and he is very friendly, never really gets aggressive. I honestly think a lot of this aggression from men comes from a deep hatred of women which we as feminists should focus on more since groups like Men Going There Own Way do such a bad job. I guess the point is how can Trans Men hate women if they used to be a woman. It's kind of contradictory.

@SirSamVimesCityWatch

Yes, it seems as if there are two largely separate narratives being played out side by side, but seldom meeting. Perhaps we will see more similarities now that increasingly younger children are being subjected to more extreme and irreversible therapies.

Its impossible not to feel compassion for Milo and Elliot, rather less for the piano player and the Cafe manager. Perhaps it’s just fear?

Well, I can't speak for everyone else, but for me, I am wary of (not hating, drama much?) Transwomen because they are often motivated to transition by AGP, and I don't feel comfortable around men who get turned on by playing out an over-sexualised, insulting idea of womanhood. Especially as many transwomen with AGP also find transgression of women's boundaries part of the turn on - see wanking on knickers in the m&s changing room etc.

Transmen usually don't engage in aggressive destruction of men's boundaries or single sex spaces. Nor are they usually motivated by sexual fetishism.

Why is it always sympathy for Trans Masculine people and hatred for Trans Feminine people. I don't understand it. Elliot made this choice, as an adult. You're infantilising him and i'm sure if you actually spoke to the dude or had even a brief chat you could find the actual truth. He is talking about his past which he obviously hates doing and all you can gleam from this is "He is sad because he transitioned".

Apart from everything else, EP is going to damage EP's vocal chords speaking like that, surely. I can't listen to it.

I feel very sorry for Page, while at the same time being very angry with Page for continuing to present (albeit unconvincingly) a "my trans joy" narrative to the world, particularly a lot of vulnerable girls and women.

Page looks exhausted, and ill. And in spite of all the hormones and surgery and shit haircuts, I cannot read Page as anything other then female when I watch that video.

Completely

I think because it's a horrible thing to recollect alongside all the missed opportunities and time he will never get back.