Male and Gender Critical

If a man was dressed in bondage gear and say, followed you into a toilet you'd be 'sure, he's fine, nothing sexual going on here' right?

You want me to say what you want me to say - but unfortunately that is not how exchange of ideas, thoughts and communication works. You cannot control it, or dictate which way you want it to go.

You are trying to acheive a " gotcha".

Plus, people can be unconscious or oblivious.

How can anyone know anyone else's intent? We don't interview everyone we see in public spaces.

I have a problem with people thinking revealing clothes are a sign of sexual thoughts or inclinations.

I’m afraid you are too good for this world, or massively deluded.

I'm not sure who has denied the existence of asexual people. I'm not even sure there's been that many threads or posts about asexuality, although tbf I haven't done a search.

But my point stands - what rights don't asexual people have and why do they need to be included in EA?

Spoken sounds have no inherent meaning either, I mean, come on. Is that really where we are in this conversation? It's like a 14 year old view of the world.

And back in the real world, there was petition by schoolgirls to get school uniforms banned from being sold in sex shops and used in porn

I assume she dresses that way in order to draw sexually motivated attention in order to create opportunities to announce her asexuality.

Tree falls in the woods, can anyone hear it, etc etc.

LoL did you read my username or look at the first thread I started 😂

No and no. I see blue for OP and I don't look at posting history. Some posters change their nn all the time so it's a bit pointless. I knew you'd let me know though if I was wrong.

Nothavingit I think it’s worse than that - my teen and her mates want to be’ sexy’ ( bit of sick in my mouth just saying it!). They’ve been told they should be up for sex - why not it’s all good fun, adults love it, they want to be grown up and that’s what grown up looks like to them. ( obvs this a particular cohort)

when we talk about sex her 2d understanding of it is shocking - she’s told me of a friend who has had sex but didn’t kiss because it was too intimate! It’s performative

I am card carrying leftie feminist who has a problem with make up and heels so I suppose it was bound to happen……

as for the asexual stuff, of course it’s a Trojan horse for normalising yet another label/identity (not having any sexual or romantic attraction to others). people could quietly go about their business without having to divulge whether they fancy someone or not but no…

It's not just that:

1. setting asexuality as akin to gender identity issues is another way for gender ideologues to continue conflating sexual orientation and gender identity, as they did with the LGB and T thing and the countless times they compare "transphobia" (in all its many forms) with actual homophobia (obviously actual transphobia exists too, just not the Stonewall version), and

2. it potentially opens the door for males accused of fetishising womanhood for sexual kicks to turn round and say "actually, I'm asexual and you can't prove otherwise" until you look on their social media

See - even I'm getting drawn into the discussion after having warned against distractions upthread - it's far too easy to get sidetracked when gender ideologues makes us feel we should be policing each other!

It's, at least for me, not denying it exists. Of course it does. But as i carry out my day to day life i don't go round announcing my sexuality or religion favourite tv programmes and paint colour preferences etc to anyone that will listen I fail to see what her being asexual has to do with the price of fish!

There are no rights she is missing out on. She isn't being persecuted for it, or losing her job over it or not able to book a hospital appointment because of it. So why does it need broadcasting to all and sundry?

Thanks to glinner, Dennis and all the other GC men out there. We need everyone to help us show this disgraceful ideology up for what it is, it doesn’t care about genuinely dysphoric people at all. Just wants to sterilise, mutilate, medicalise for life. All our vulnerable young people.

as for the asexual stuff, of course it’s a Trojan horse for normalising yet another label/identity (not having any sexual or romantic attraction to others). people could quietly go about their business without having to divulge whether they fancy someone or not but no…

This will be the next big push now that “trans” has massively slipped up & stumbled on the way to the finish line. It’s like a relay but they’re not going to win.

"A small group of people being who they are"

To define one's whole identity around your sexuality or lack of it, really does seem silly to me.

It's a fad! You don't need to go around advertising your interest in sex, or lack of it, to everyone. Who cares? Why does it matter?

@YouAreNotBatman
"I was going to add that what really got people fired up, was the fact that she’s asexual.
This place really can’t stand asexuality, for whatever reason.

Sad to read on that you think small group of people being who they are is ’silly’, not a whole lot they can do about it and they are allowed to speak about it."

WRONG. I got annoyed with a silly person who describes herself as "award winning asexual activist and founder of this is what asexual looks like" says she they are marching for "equal rights for asexual people, legal recognition and protection". Then people ask her 'what equal rights are you lacking?" or "why do you need different or more protection, than is available to everyone under the law?" and various other questions asking how people would know someone is asexual if they didn't scream and shout about it.... and the replies are along the lines of 'stop attacking us with your questions', or why are you making fun of us asexuals, stop picking on me.

other people may have become annoyed for a similar reason or a completely different reason. Maybe the sense of entitlement many in these new gender groups have. Many due to the 'look at us, but when you do, why are you looking at us'. The constant seeking attention or validation for whatever choice they make - really who would know she was asexual if she didn't keep shouting it all the time!

too many 'primarilies'...... I type and post too quickly.

'Asexuality' is just another identity label and another way to primarily frame a girl as being primarily sexual. everything has to be in relation to sex or sexuality/orientation.

That's Queer Theory for you.

Yes, they just think they look nice and pretty and/or just like their friends.

This place really can’t stand asexuality, for whatever reason.

People been rude, condescending about it, denying they exist for quite some time now.

Dunno about the rest of “this place” but I really don’t care what consenting adults do or don’t get up to in private. They have no impact on my life, nor anyone else’s. People who don’t have sex have every human right that is afforded to those who do.

Nobody has said that what you wear automatically means you are up for sex. Reducing the nuance of dress, presentation and social social perception to such thought terminating cliches is not very helpful.

Ther is nothing "weird" about being conscious of the signals you are sending in the way you behave, how you talk or present yourself or what you wear. We are always signalling to others, whethere we are conscious of it or not.

Your conception of misogyny seems simplistic and confused to me.