Male and Gender Critical

Exactly like asexuality!
This is it exactly.

Really?

Again, not a label, just a word to a thing.
Like you need a word for a fridge so everyone knows what’s up.
It’s very simple. Should be at least.

So that you can find out what you are, little part of you, not a whole personality.
Not feeling sexual attraction/not wanting sex is a weird, lonely place to be.
Many asexuals have said they were happy to found out they aren’t broken or weong or ill or needed to fix themselves.
I understand you cant imagine what that’s like, but it helps people, so why not?
Literally doesn not hurt non-asexuals, but means so much for those who are.

Not on this forum they are not - because we don't tend to talk about sexual acts or practices in that way. We tend to discuss things in a more detached, analytical way. Not just 'sex chat'. That would be for a different board to this one. Maybe the self identified asexuals should gather there?

Of course the sorts of experience which are unique to females/women may well contributre to a sesne of self, of lived experience and hence identity - but not 'being a woman' in itself. Women have different identities - all they have in common is their sex.

Being a woman or a mother is a fact of one's existence. I don't identify as a woman, I just am. A woman is an adult human female - it says nothing necessarily about her identity or character.

Why bother with a label then? Why do you need to identify as something.
We all experienece times when we are not interested in sex, or when we are more interested in sex......it does not make us an 'asexual'. It makes us human.

You seem to have a very particular idea of who posts on this forum, based on your examples - which seems to revolve around some pretty stereotypical expectations of women.

Personally I don't see having children or being a woman as identity markers.
Identity is more bound up with what holds the core self together in the centre as an integrated stable personality. Values, self image, lived experience, and so on.

I do not know anything about that.
Asexuals don’t feel sexual attraction nor do they have sex.
Anyone saying anything else is a groomer/abuser/troll/idiot/absolutely not an asexual.

Oh, and no, I’m not from or in america.
But those terms are pretty common. Also, not sure why even mention it. I assume it was to make sure you nitpick every single thing 😉

Actually it’s just a word to a thing that describes phenomenon.
I doubt that any asexual talks only about being asexual, once again - it’s a thing they happen to be, and they are allowed to talk anout it/themselves. Doesn’t mean it’s an identity or all of their personality.

Unless you think being straight is all that a straight person is/can be.
Is being a mother ’a identity politics - a badge; not an actual identity’?

Then you should be supportive of asexuals.
How so? Given that having sex whilst not enjoying it, rather than not having sex at all, seems to be what asexuals are now expected to do?

'Asexual' is just a recently made up label in the crazy world of identity politics - a badge; not an actual identity, unless you choose to make it one and base your whole self around the idea of wanting/liking or not wanting/liking sex.

Identity is not set in stone. An identity evolves and changes throughout one's life in response to time and circumstance. Some things we cannot change - like our sex, our parents and family of origin, our native birth place - but everything else is fairly fluid.

I think you must be american ( just woken up, perhaps?) because some of those references and terms are very unfamiliar. Plus on this forum nobody talks endlessly about their partner or children, nor do they talk about their sex life unless it has some relevence to the discussion.

To define one's whole identity around your sexuality or lack of it, really does seem silly to me.

I can agree with this. That’s why I don’t like when (usually women) have no personality other than men and kids.
Boring as hell.

It's a fad! You don't need to go around advertising your interest in sex, or lack of it, to everyone. Who cares? Why does it matter?

Also agree with this. I often wonder about all of these questions when people start to talk about their sex lives. Why would I want to hear this? Or how they trying for a baby, whu would anyone need to know they are rawdogging it now?
And why does it matter, indeed?

But I guess that’s how many people are.
So what’s a couple of asexual voices in there too?

I'll be supportive of whomever I damned well please.

Then you should be supportive of asexuals.

Let's stop the nonsense;

if I wore a leather bra and shorts to my Lesbian social group they'd think I was into BDSM. If then I said I was asexual they'd avoid me (rightly) as an attention-seeking weirdo.

Clothes have a socio-cultural meaning. When I came out publically I stopped wearing my very fun menswear (sigh) as I didn't want my fellow Lesbians to think I was a Butch. I'm not.

You'll probably be told they don't dress for anyone else but "for themselves". and that it doesn't matter how others perceive the way we dress, or something........which is such a naive cliche.

Of course we dress for others too because we are social creatures and we live a society and culture which allocates meanings to things. If you are trying to " subvert" those meanings that still entails playing around with the conventional meaning - thus you are associating yourself with that. You are reacting, not being an originator. and you will still be subject to conventional meaning.

The same when a man tries to present himself as a woman by dressing in streotypical female clothing - He thinks he is subverting gender norms - and he may well be in his attire, but people can still see he is a man. You cannot control how people perceive you. and how people perceive you matters, certainly if you want people to co-operate with you; or welcome you; or employ you; or date you, or whatever.

So just normal 'day at the office' wear then?

Women's clothes and shoes have always ben designed to accentuate secondary sexual characteristics; and are often uncomfortable and restrictive too.

Have you ever considered that not wearing clothes that are designed to show off your body in conventionally 'sexy' ways for public attention might be a subversive act? That's certainly how the early feminists would have seen it.

Have you ever asked anyone who dresses like that? In my experience they are a bit dim and spend a lot if time wondering why men pester them for sex and don't see them as gf material. I've had many a chat with teen to almost 30s adults who really really do not understand the message they are giving. Dressed like her or worse. Painted face. Essentially like they are in porn. They don't know! They think men might love them like they do others. They do not make the connections maybe they just lack analytical skills.

Sorry mn will not allow me to type bondage

Just curious. When said person gets dressed in said revealing clothing how do you think they are seeking to present themselves publicly?

Now I've seen the photos its not bandage gear at all. Its fishnets with a short leather skirt and bra let. That is not necessarily saying I want sex. When I was young I w9re revealing clothes more for me and the other girls although yes men found it attractive. Some of the attitudes of people saying they are gc don't sound very gc. They sound quite Conservative and telling women and men how to behave.
Someone told me off earlier for subverting norms! Imagine if women never subverted norms feminism would never have started. Women being allowed to work and have bank accounts was subverting norms! H
Jesus.

I'm like you. Have not worn heels since I was your daughter's age, I imagine ( 15) and have never done the conventional 'sexy' thing since then. But so many girls and women do. You're right it is both concerning and disappointing.

Clearly!

But who are you to say what every single women is thinking, feeling, desiring or anything else?