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Male and Gender Critical

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Letmespeak82 · 04/07/2023 20:32

Anyone else find being associated with some of the male Gender Critical activists a bit…well embarrassing? I’m not even going to deal with the dumpster fire that is Glinner (though it seems many on this board love him). But now we have James Esses who is hyper focused on what this woman is wearing. What difference does it make if she wears revealing clothes or not? Typical gross male attitude.

Male and Gender Critical
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RoseslnTheHospital · 04/07/2023 21:33

Does Benoit wonder why she's getting sexual attention when she wears her choice of clothing? I think it's quite clear she expects it and in some way courts it, for the attention rather than appreciating the sexualised component of that attention. It's effective at garnering her attention for her campaigning.

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Letmespeak82 · 04/07/2023 21:30

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/07/2023 21:30

lovey, that was my first post on this thread

I'm just enjoying watching you doing your thing

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Apologies I thought you were the user I was replying to.

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Boomboom22 · 04/07/2023 21:30

Surely anyone gc should agree wear whatever clothes you like, just this girl should not wonder why she's getting sexual attention when dressed in bandage gear. Although perhaps gc would say she should be able to be scantily clad in a non sexualised way such as gym clothes or short shorts and crop top without anyone assuming she's up for it.

NotTerfNorCis · 04/07/2023 21:30

The “female” clothes do not make them a woman. Nor does being “scantily clad” mean you’re up for it and not asexual.

Female clothes don't make someone a woman, true, but it means that the person wearing them probably wants to give an impression of being a woman, for whatever reason. Maybe because they are a woman, or because they're a male identifying as one.

Bondage gear or sexy clothing doesn't mean you're up for it, but it does send out the message that you see yourself as a confident sexual being, and it conflicts with the idea that this person is not at all interested in sex.

That's pretty obvious to anyone.

Clothes carry meaning!

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/07/2023 21:30

Letmespeak82 · 04/07/2023 21:27

I mean I’m just asking you to answer a Q you ignored 3 times now for some reason. Obviously you don’t have to follow any orders but am curious as to why you just wouldn’t answer the Q…

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lovey, that was my first post on this thread

I'm just enjoying watching you doing your thing

Theeyeballsinthesky · 04/07/2023 21:28

Well this is going as expected

Boomboom22 · 04/07/2023 21:28

Letmespeak82 · 04/07/2023 21:10

Im curious. Would you say the same if we were discussing a rape victim being judged on her clothes? Yes it’s a forever fight. I will still point out the misogyny where I see it.

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You are totally right. It's the same as saying they deserve to be raped. But at the same time clothes do send a signal and rape is about power so looks are irrelevant.
Trouble is you are and should be allowed to send mixed messages with clothes or subvert the message so I say he's being misogynistic.

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Letmespeak82 · 04/07/2023 21:27

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/07/2023 21:25

could you please answer that rather than a tangent about societal expectations

<salutes>

oh how I love watching some internet randomer try to order posters about

I mean I’m just asking you to answer a Q you ignored 3 times now for some reason. Obviously you don’t have to follow any orders but am curious as to why you just wouldn’t answer the Q…

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KiteofUncertainty · 04/07/2023 21:27

AlisonDonut · 04/07/2023 21:21

OP are you 'as GC as they come?'

I'm guessing that the OP is indeed "as GC as they come".

Witchorama · 04/07/2023 21:26

AlisonDonut · 04/07/2023 21:21

OP are you 'as GC as they come?'

😂

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Letmespeak82 · 04/07/2023 21:26

NotTerfNorCis · 04/07/2023 21:24

Clothes are not meaningless rolls of cloth, they carry social meanings. Surely no reasonable person is going to dispute that? That's exactly why transwomen wear female-coded clothing - to signal that they identify as women.

exactly. The “female” clothes do not make them a woman. Nor does being “scantily clad” mean you’re up for it and not asexual.

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/07/2023 21:25

could you please answer that rather than a tangent about societal expectations

<salutes>

oh how I love watching some internet randomer try to order posters about

NotTerfNorCis · 04/07/2023 21:24

Clothes are not meaningless rolls of cloth, they carry social meanings. Surely no reasonable person is going to dispute that? That's exactly why transwomen wear female-coded clothing - to signal that they identify as women.

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Letmespeak82 · 04/07/2023 21:24

RoseslnTheHospital · 04/07/2023 21:22

Quite. I disagree with Esses on his comments about what women wear, and it is irrelevant to me that this woman wears what she wears whilst being asexual. I agree with him that asexuals don't need specific protection in law in the way that homosexual or bisexual people do.

I absolutely agree on both counts.

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Letmespeak82 · 04/07/2023 21:23

Imnobody4 · 04/07/2023 21:19

What James is saying is that she's not authentic but performing. I agree with him. It's you that doing the 'she's asking for it routine.'

He never actually says any of that. How is she not authentic? How would she be authentic as an asexual person. What clothes are authentically asexual?

he is very obviously using her clothes to say she’s not asexual. So either he believes she’s asexual and inauthentic meaning that if someone authentically wore those clothes they’re a sign of sexual availabaility or she’s authentically wearing them and lying about being asexual.

I find both misogynistic.

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RoseslnTheHospital · 04/07/2023 21:22

Quite. I disagree with Esses on his comments about what women wear, and it is irrelevant to me that this woman wears what she wears whilst being asexual. I agree with him that asexuals don't need specific protection in law in the way that homosexual or bisexual people do.

AlisonDonut · 04/07/2023 21:21

OP are you 'as GC as they come?'

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Letmespeak82 · 04/07/2023 21:21

NotTerfNorCis · 04/07/2023 21:19

Clothes are not 'just clothes' though. We wear different clothes for different occasions. For instance, you might wear smart business dress to meet a customer, but slob around in an old jumper when working from home.

Yes and some people do a full makeup even when working from home or spending time alone. Clothes are just clothes. They’re not infallible insights into a persons sexual intentions. Or any other intention.

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Witchorama · 04/07/2023 21:20

See, I'm more sidetracked by "Asexual people deserve to be protected by the Equality Act. We deserve to be protected by the ban on conversion therapy."

WTF. She's just attention seeking. Her clothes is just part of that.

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Letmespeak82 · 04/07/2023 21:19

NotHavingIt · 04/07/2023 21:15

If you are displaying your breasts or bottom in very overt ways - you will surely expect people to notice your bottom and your breasts. People will not avert their gaze if they see you on the street. What they make of that you cannot control.

They may think " what a beautiful body"; or they may think " If my bum looked like that I wouldn't be wearing such tiny shorts"; and if you have a beautiful peachy, pert behind then you can well expect men to notice that; likewise your breasts.

Are we really pretending that bottoms and breasts are not sexualised in our culture?

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Again that’s nothing to do with what I asked. Yes I KNOW people make assumptions. I’ve said that many times. And I never once said if we wear revealing clothes we can stop people looking.

what I asked is very simple and nothing to do with others assumptions:

is what a woman wears a sign of her sexual availability?

could you please answer that rather than a tangent about societal expectations.

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Imnobody4 · 04/07/2023 21:19

What James is saying is that she's not authentic but performing. I agree with him. It's you that doing the 'she's asking for it routine.'

NotTerfNorCis · 04/07/2023 21:19

Clothes are not 'just clothes' though. We wear different clothes for different occasions. For instance, you might wear smart business dress to meet a customer, but slob around in an old jumper when working from home.

teacher45646 · 04/07/2023 21:19

Some of you on this thread are ever so close to self-awareness and the rest are showing what a deeply misogynistic and essentialist movement this is. Either way.. HIGHLY entertaining.

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/07/2023 21:18

It's an interesting subject and not one that lends itself to soundbitey nonsense and yes/no dichotomies.

Women should be able to wear what they like. But also, clothes are foisted onto women and certain clothes communicate certain things in every society. I had a look through her pictures and they are about 50% mouth pouty half-open, breasts pushed out, hand in hair, cleavage, bondage or very skimpy clothes.

No human naturally dresses/stands like that and if you wanted to get laid at a nightclub, that's pretty much all of what you would do. Non-verbal communication does exist. That doesn't mean anyone has the right to assume she wants sex. It does mean that she has some interesting internal issues going on.

I worry that something has gone on for her to express her asexuality like this.

Helleofabore · 04/07/2023 21:18

To answer your question, do any of them claim to be feminists? No?

Seems like just another discussion to divide opinion.