"You're Wrong About" podcast/Sarah Marshall

I've stopped listening too ☹️

I also love Maintenance Phase and If Books Could Kill, both with Michael Hobbs. But I'm finding there are some episodes I just can't listen to.

First time posting here, this issue is so interesting to me. I grew up in the UK (guardian reading), have lived in US (still guardian reading!). I read mumsnet and enjoy the range of viewpoints on most topics and tend to find comfort in reading sensible UK commentary.

From what I can tell about the US liberal perspective, the most pressing issue is that we are in a country where people historically are targeted and killed for being “other”. Race, gender, trans, etc. The liberal point of view is: trans people exist, they have a right to exist.

It’s really weird for me to read on here the absolute spitting hatred towards people who speak up for trans issues. This thread is a lot more reasonable than others I’ve seen. Sure, disagree.. I’m interested to find out what the details of the debate are. But many of the threads on mumsnet just personally attack the person who spoke out, with childish and violent language. Only on this trans issue. I’m curious, what’s up with that?

Voices against gender-woo on the liberal Left seem very few and far between these days. Examples always welcome! At least the American left has some excuse: joining cause with Trumpists on anything must be unthinkable to many.

I had to stop listening to You’re Wrong About about a year ago when it became very clear which side of the GenderWoo fence they were on.

I love Ali Ward’s “Ologie’s” podcast but there’s a bit of Woo creeping in there too (making baffled physics PhD’s announce their pronouns and such at the beginning of every ep). I’ll be gutted if I have to let that one go too.

Also, it is upsetting when someone who you obviously don't know personally but you admire their work comes out as having drunk the koolaid. David Tennant springs to mind 😩 so disappointing.

There are so many errors in this podcast( not just about Trans stuff). She seems to be very much a "feminism for men" woman and I stopped listening a.long time ago. Also she has the most annoying voice but I admit that's not her fault 😆

I think it's probably hard to gauge the level of reaction you would get in the US for being even slightly off the mandatory party line for trans ideology. So no room for nuance or discussion. Any debate means you want trans children to die, or other similar hyperbole.

People like Martina Navratilova are more immune to the pressure due to experience and to some degree wealth and the ability to move around the world for work if necessary.

As an antidote OP, this is a fascinating listen about the lack of nuanced discussions and left wing politics. Ana Kasparian at one stage apologises for her previous take on some "left wing " issues - she says she's embarrassed by some of her previous behaviour. She's a powerful advocate for the left starting to address issues rather than hurling around personal attacks in order to ignore them. Someone linked this on another thread and it's well worth listening to - and really positive.

If it's American, then a lot of the issue is that those arguing against trans rights or trans activism in the US can often be coming from a very right wing position (very socially conservative), or an unpalatably religious position, or a position that is basically homophobia. Or any combination of that. So it's not centre or left leaning feminists who are pushing back against transactivism because of the impact on women. So I can see how it's possible to see the kinds of people who are arguing against trans activism and ideology and be very worried about the consequences of that.

The chromosomes thing... well, nearly all women have XX chromosomes but there are some DSDs that mean there are some very rare other combinations that result in a female body. Ditto nearly all men have XY chromosomes but some DSDs mean that there are some other very rare combinations. I guess that's not what she meant though?