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To ask everyone who has heard of using pronouns to watch this?

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Moomoola · 03/07/2023 22:34

its a worthwhile introduction/ explanation of what’s going on that I’ve found. Please watch it - and post your responses. It may also be very worthwhile checking what’s going on in your child’s school - if they’re not in hols!
thank you!

Megyn Kelly Explains Why She Will No Longer Use "Preferred Pronouns" as Trans Ideology Grows

Megyn Kelly begins the show with a monologue explaining why she is done using "preferred pronouns" and will base her conversations on trans ideology in reali...

https://youtu.be/FxB0LHvS4fg

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Zimunya · 04/07/2023 07:43

PermanentTemporary · 03/07/2023 22:40

Everyone uses pronouns.

Exactly. Pronouns existed long before identity politics, and I’m sure they’ll exist long after it’s over. Trans people don’t own pronouns, and certainly didn’t invent them.

Quveas · 04/07/2023 07:43

Right wing, Trump supporting American... yeah, her views are definitely worth listening too.

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/07/2023 07:43

Stompythedinosaur · 03/07/2023 22:40

I got as far as her first sentence in which she said she was being "subjected to" pride celebrations and said that "gays and lesbians" already have equality.

She's clearly a bigot.

To all those shouting "DON'T LISTEN! SHE'S A BIGOT!"

What are you afraid of?

Why are you afraid to let women speak, and to let people hear?

It's this appalling "NO DEBATE!" attitude which has got us all into he situation we are in, where people are losing their jobs because they affirm simple biological facts; where women are disadvantaged in sports; where violent, sexually aggressive men are placed in prisons with vulnerable women; where "I'm trans" has become a get-out-of-jail free card for any bad behaviour; where children are placed at risk in schools and public toilets, and where ordinary people are now afraid to speak out against what is essentially public perversion (as evidenced by the sexualised nudity at a recent pride march); where homosexuals of both sexes are being accused of "genital obsession/ fascism" because they want to have sexual partners of their own sex - not "gender"..

Had there been proper debate and discussion from the start, then transpeople of both sexes would have been integrated comfortably into society without all of this conflict.

I would say to everyone DO LISTEN!

You may or may not agree with Megyn, but listen to what she has to say. Always listen to both sides of ANY argument before you start throwing about accusations and abuse. If you only listen to one side, without hearing the concerns of the other, how can you properly see the truth?

In almost every debate of this nature the situation is much more nuanced than it appears.

We all need to listen to both sides. No-one should be silenced, or bullied, or coerced into submission. Listen to what all people involved have to say, and THEN make up your mind.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 04/07/2023 07:42

KnitMePurlMe · 04/07/2023 07:32

@Ourladycheesusedatum you’re not really comparing a difference of opinion over fishing to racism are you?? Because that would be seriously insane 🙄

I grant its clumsy but it was the thing about Megyn says something I agree with, I must therefore agree with absolutely every other thing she has ever said.

Despite not knowing what she said, and I must never listen to a word she says anyway.

But to find out what she has said means I must listen. But apparently I shouldnt cos shes far right.

Also people are allowed to change their mind about things, just as Megyn has here. She was all for twaw and letting them everywhere, now she has changed her mind.
Without discussion, we will never change peoples minds.
And frankly being told that it would be so very wrong of me to listen, means I will now go listen to as much as she said as I can.

Maybe I'll hear when she told the world jesus and Santa were white. And see if that's real.

Mammothwoollyjumper · 04/07/2023 07:40

askmenow · 04/07/2023 02:07

Why is it that anyone that disagrees with you and the many others on here are typecast as bigots and dismissed. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and to be heard. People are entitled to offend and to be offended. We live in a free country and will not be silenced.

It's not about disagreeing. It's about the hatred of minorities. Pronouns is such a small thing to do to improve someone's experience. Can't believe there is this type of reaction!

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 04/07/2023 07:39

@CrazyArmadilloLady I think the sky is blue and the earth is flat.

You think the earth is flat? Shock

On the topic if Megyn, I haven't watched the video, I gave up at the homophobia. But it is possible to agree with her on some things and not others. Same as Piers Morgan. Heck I don't even agree with my best friend of 30+ years on everything.

PermanentTemporary · 04/07/2023 07:39

Ourladycheesusedatum · 04/07/2023 07:27

What? Why?

Is no one ever allowed to share an opinion with anyone ever?

Could make life difficult.
My DP loves fishing, I cant stand it. So should he stop fishing or should I start?
One of us has the wrong opinion.

Because the original poster continued to say 'I don't know what she said in the past but...' as if what Megyn said in the past was relevant and might have affected her decision to post. I was pointing out that it was quite easy to find out what Megyn had said in the past, if that genuinely was a concern. I suppose I'm trying to point out that the poster, who apparently thinks that 'using pronouns' is an unusual thing to do, probably picked up this video precisely because of Megyn's other views.

Anyway, the poster is having a quiet morning watching us all scratch at each other. Pfft.

ilovesooty · 04/07/2023 07:34

Idrankyourbananamilk · 04/07/2023 07:16

@marewindham excellent post. Couldn’t agree more.

Agreed.

KnitMePurlMe · 04/07/2023 07:32

@Ourladycheesusedatum you’re not really comparing a difference of opinion over fishing to racism are you?? Because that would be seriously insane 🙄

cocoloco117 · 04/07/2023 07:30

Let’s be honest, the people promoting her on here are more sympathetic to her views on other topics than they’re letting on. They’re just not brave enough to say it openly. Not yet anyway, but give it time.

smilesup · 04/07/2023 07:29

InvisibleDuck · 04/07/2023 07:19

I'd never heard of this woman before today, but if I'm worried about fascist tendencies it'll be from people who think it's acceptable to describe other human beings off as 'vermin' because they disagree with them.

The tolerant left, everyone!

Why should the left be tolerant of a racist? No one decent should be. She uses far worse language and raises far more hate than the use of the word vermin.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 04/07/2023 07:27

PermanentTemporary · 04/07/2023 00:10

Now that you know what she's said in the past, maybe take your thread down.

What? Why?

Is no one ever allowed to share an opinion with anyone ever?

Could make life difficult.
My DP loves fishing, I cant stand it. So should he stop fishing or should I start?
One of us has the wrong opinion.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 04/07/2023 07:22
Grin

Early morning typos!

TidyDancer · 04/07/2023 07:20

Keep the fallacy going, not jerk. Although....

TidyDancer · 04/07/2023 07:20

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 04/07/2023 07:13

So by many posters opinions here, agreeing with > insert controversial person < on one view means you have aligned yourself with their every view?

Crikey Confused

It's a pure 'hey look squirrel' tactic isn't it?

Megyn Kelly may well have some abhorrent views, as I'm sure many people do, but that doesn't mean that some of what she says isn't correct.

I don't think there's many people who would believe in any kind of TRA rubbish if they truly drilled down into the base level because nothing about it stands up to any intelligent scrutiny. The TRAs rely on distraction to jerk the fallacy going.

InvisibleDuck · 04/07/2023 07:19

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I'd never heard of this woman before today, but if I'm worried about fascist tendencies it'll be from people who think it's acceptable to describe other human beings off as 'vermin' because they disagree with them.

The tolerant left, everyone!

smilesup · 04/07/2023 07:19

I too can't bear the commercialisation of pride and am GC doesn't mean I want to agree with a right wing, homophobic, racist fascist. The woman is abhorrent.

Oofs · 04/07/2023 07:18

smilesup · 04/07/2023 07:17

@Oofs dick to death 😁

Hahaha 😂

smilesup · 04/07/2023 07:17

@Oofs dick to death 😁

OprahWinfery · 04/07/2023 07:17

I’ve never used pronouns. I live in fact based reality and would never gaslight my own senses to accommodate a lie.

Never played let’s pretend games very well either.

Idrankyourbananamilk · 04/07/2023 07:16

@marewindham excellent post. Couldn’t agree more.

Oofs · 04/07/2023 07:13

Stompythedinosaur · 03/07/2023 22:40

I got as far as her first sentence in which she said she was being "subjected to" pride celebrations and said that "gays and lesbians" already have equality.

She's clearly a bigot.

I'm a bisexual woman. As far as relationships go I've had about 75% lesbian relationships to 25% straight.

I am absolutely dick to fucking death of pride, the rainbow, pride month, preferred pronouns, big company logos changes for pride month, drag queens etc

Absolutely sick of it. It makes me almost want to go back into the closet so I'm not associated with all this shit.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 04/07/2023 07:13

So by many posters opinions here, agreeing with > insert controversial person < on one view means you have aligned yourself with their every view?

Crikey Confused

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/07/2023 07:10

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I haven’t watched the video but the idea that the way someone spells their name tells you all you need to know about them is the kind of unpleasant petty snobbery that is driving people away from the left and leaving a gap wide open for the right to occupy.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 04/07/2023 07:05

I don't know who this woman is (by the sounds of some posters whom I often find myself agreeing with, I probably won't like her) and I've not yet watched the video -

This aside don't forget even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Often people we would never in a million years think we have commonality with will have an occasional opinion we share. It's bound to happen from time to time.

Blanket statements implying that by doing so it means we are therefore a bigot/wrong side of history is bit OTT Confused