Are we beginning to see the push back against the extreme left

Whether you think it should do, or is consistent with it, I think it has in practice followed on from LGB activism.

For example:

"LGBT Foundation (formerly known as The Lesbian & Gay Foundation)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_Foundation

Your DD is fantastic! Agree - it’s the liberal left of Centre pushing this. And I’ll add for some posters that it’s not the ‘LGBT agenda’. The forced teaming must stop. The Ls are very much viciously targeted and harassed (and sometimes physically attacked) for not wanting to date TW with dick and balls. Young butch Ls are being told they’re actually straight boys or ‘non-binary’ if they’re not into traditionally feminine interests and clothes. And now Transmen are starting in on old-school Gs for not accepting that ‘some men have vaginas’. This is a regressive, incoherent Q/T ideology.

Another far left political party:

https://www.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/33473/15-12-2021/stonewall-attacked-by-the-establishment/

"Stonewall has been targeted as part of a sustained campaign by right-wing journalists and politicians, with mistaken support from some in the women’s and labour movement, to present trans and non-binary people’s rights as conflicting with women’s rights."

Marine Le Pen and other fascists lump trans rights in with things that they say come from the Outside. They are voted for by people who want to stop things coming from the Outside and ultimately are prepared to close their eyes to how that is done. Alongside those who quite fancy putting the boot in themselves. It looks wrong to them, is associated with public LGB liberation and therefore must come from the Outside.

The soft left are more likely to see the enemy as within themselves - in the old days when the nonconformist faiths were heavily represented in Labour, there was a stronger sense of rooting out personal prejudice and conflating it with sin. Once you identify the enemy as your own thoughts, the process is endless. It no longer has much of a moral framework attached but there is thorough enjoyment of denouncing others.

Id put myself on the softest of soft/social democratic left. I don't deny that I have plenty of prejudices and I'd rather the country wasn't run according to my worst instincts - still less Marine Le Pen's worst instincts, God help us. It is true that toleration and acceptance of minorities is generally positive. Show me how to say 'trans rights' without having to say 'transwomen are women' with all that has led us to, and I'll be there.

Gender ideology does not follow on from gay rights; its a backlash to them. Its not left wing either, its neoliberal.

I was mistaken.

I think we have at least 1 Non binary Tory MP, as well as a Trans.

Trans people aren't inherently left or right aligned

Binary trans people aren’t. I’ve never seen a “non-binary” person confess to being conservative or Republican though. I wonder why that is?

Gender idology has nothing to do with the left/right divide.

For one thing, it follows on from LGB activism, and LGB activism is presumably left-wing. Yes it became mainstream as I just mentioned and accepted by some conservatives. But I would have thought that LGB activism has very largely considered itself a left-wing movement.

Then you can look at America where:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/save-womens-sports-bill-passes-house-zero-votes-dems-transgender-bullying

Well said,@Babdoc
And the fascist Neo far right can do one as well. No ta very much here thanks. Nice try folks at normalising the extreme right as your everyday right wing political party.
Here's the thing -they hate women and girls just as much as the rad lib left such as the Ash Sarkar etc( who isn't a Communist by any stretch of the imagination despite her gibberings).

"GRA reform was raised by the Conservatives."

A conservative government allowed gay marriage. That doesn't mean it was a natural right-wing issue. Rather, it was successfully pushed by the left-wing to the point that some conservatives went along with it.

I agree with Julia Hartley-Brewer in today's Telegraph:
'Free speech is something that, like clean drinking water, I had always taken for granted growing up. It simply did not occur to people from my generation – growing up in the 1970s and ‘80s – that free speech was something that would ever be under threat.'

This is very true and particularly applies to inflation-proofed public sector pensions teachers, doctors, civil servants etc. Most employed people are 'stakeholders' (to use 'New Labour' speak) and thereby have a vested interest in the long-term stability of capital markets.
There comes an age in life when you start to think about how much you have to lose, (property, pension, inheritance for your children etc) were 'some lefty or righty nutters' to gain power.

I know people in left-wing extremist circles in the 1980s used to fantasise about say Labour winning a majority and going straight to Parliament and passing Laws to stop any capital leaving the country. I am probably referring to the Militant Tendency types that Neil Kinnock had to expel.
UK Labour Party never seems to learn from its rather recent history e.g. Momentum/Corbyn and now making it impossible for people who believe in biological reality and child safeguarding to vote for them.
I have now much more to lose economically than in 1997 so might be tending to the right more in any event but expecting me to vote for self-id/genderwoo and cancel culture means I just have to prioritise 'free speech' with my vote.
I happen to believe 'freedom of speech and thought' is the bedrock of any healthy democracy. It is shocking how under attack it has been over the last 15 years supposedly in the name of diversity.

GRA reform was raised by the Conservatives. The Telegraph was frequently one of the more positive voices on trans issues a couple of decades ago, especially regarding younger trans people. First newspaper clipping I ever showed the wider family was from it, in fact.

Trans people aren't inherently left or right aligned; those on the right (of which there are plenty!) tend to be in a position of economic and social stability where they can can trust they won't be significantly harmed by trans-hostile policy. For decades, you were significantly more likely to have been able to transition if you were from a core Conservative-friendly demographic anyway.

It's become a deeply polarised left/right ideological association comparatively recently, and a sizeable component of that has been due to the influence of the right-wing voices you mention here. It's deeply, deeply frightening to see the extent to which the issue has become a full-blown Moral Panic.

The owners of capital in the UK are anyone who saves in a pension.

As of 2021, pension fund investments in the UK amounted to more than 3.75 trillion U.S. dollars.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/419891/united-kingdom-uk-pension-funds-investments/#statisticContainer

What's wrong with protecting those saver's interests?

I think it's a huge problem the far right are using this issue and viewed as a potential political home for the gender critical. This embeddens down the viewpoint that those of us that are GC are also racist, homophobic, transphobic Nazis.

No the problem is caused by the so called "Left" failing to stand up for women. So far from saying, oh no, we need to be careful, we need to be holding the left to account.

You are allowing the left to distort the view as they are more interested in ping pong politcs that actual issues such as women's rights.

I don't see socialism as any different, tbh. Those who have interests in power or goods will use any institutionalized system to retain those things.

Socialism still has those at the top who control the system and maintain their interests through that. It's very much a mirror image of capitalism the a few controlling the political and economic sphere.

Revolutionaries on the left or right with overthrow old systems and implement new ones through violence, but unless you have successive revolutions the same pattern repeats.

dcbc1234, no, no, I haven’t converted to Communism! I am still a Conservative voter - English, but resident for the past 48 years in Scotland.
It’s DD who is Communist. We disagree on politics, and religion (I’m Christian, she’s Buddhist) but respect each other’s views.
Both of us are radical feminists and staunchly gender critical.

And there’s no way they’re neutral.

One of the founders of the Communist Party was Deborah Lavin who was the mother of Magdalen Bern. No surprise it is GC .

Refounders I suppose I should say as the old Party collapsed in the 90s.

I don't agree with the implicit suggetion in your post that the BBC is a left-wing voice. If you see it as a left-wing voice I just don't know what you mean be left-wing?

Yes I never know what to make of the BBC. I just know I no longer trust them.

Corporate capitalism isn't conservative at all

Yes, perhaps 'conservative' isn't the right word. I meant 'conservative' simply in the sense of shoring up the economic status quo, ie protecting the economic interests of the owners of capital. In that sense, libertarian and old-style 'conservative' are just two sides of the same coin. One or the other will be adopted depending on the needs of capital.

Corporate capitalism isn't conservative at all.

It's libertarian, which is to say, a kind of liberalism, like progressivism.

People should keep in mind that while there are still plenty of pushers of libertarian economics on the right, these days it tends to be the right parties that are looking more at things like protection of industry, movement of labour, and locally rooted power structures.

While on the left you find globalism, pushing completely free movement of labour, support for international trade organizations, and other international organizations having more power outside of responsible electoral systems.

When the "left" is taking these kinds of approaches, and calling anyone who wants protection of local industry a bigot, I think it seems pretty clear that the old divides are no longer that meaningful.

Yes, that does seem to be the logical conclusion of adding together anyone's various intersectionalities - you have a class of one.

Agreed. But the above article is filled with three women who are all Far Right. Their parties rooted in fascism. Not something I want to be associated with.