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First Direct and Natwest closing bank accounts for political reasons inc being gender critical

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Snorkers · 30/06/2023 15:47

Apprently First Direct have closed the account of the Wings over Scotland founder for his beliefs (He's Gender Critical), and Coutts, owned by Natwest, closed Nigel Farage's account.
Whatever you think of Nigel Farage he is entitled to a bank account.

This is really worrying.

I bank with First Direct. I am gender critical. Do I need to hide my beliefs to keep my bank account? Will tey stop me getting access to my money?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12249755/Nigel-Farage-claims-three-loved-ones-bank-accounts-closed-Brexit.html

Are banks shutting accounts of customers with anti-woke beliefs?

Mr Farage has not named the bank who plan to shut his personal and business accounts this summer, but is understood to be Coutts, the famous 327-year-old private bank whose clients include the Royal Family.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12249755/Nigel-Farage-claims-three-loved-ones-bank-accounts-closed-Brexit.html

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IwantToRetire · 27/07/2023 17:03

Sorry if this has been covered earlier in the thread, but this was just published today.

I suspect other organisations with internal messaging systems are not different, but in view of banks thinking they can close bank accounts because (some of) those working their dont like the politics of a customer, this is more than a concern.

Once again, we are witnessing private corporations claiming to practice ‘inclusion’ through the medium of ‘exclusion’. This is not only illogical and hypocritical. It is dangerous.

https://www.jamesesses.com/p/exclusive-evidence-reveals-big-bank

Evidence Reveals Big Bank, Monzo, Holds Gender Critical Beliefs in Contempt

Unfortunately, it appears that Coutts is not the only bank to views customers and prospective customers with disdain regarding their personal beliefs.

https://www.jamesesses.com/p/exclusive-evidence-reveals-big-bank

Needmoresleep · 27/07/2023 16:56

It is odd. It is a point that some of the Labour front bench don't seem to have grasped either.

The detail does not matter. Whether she was presenting a correct picture or spinning.

Pure and simple. She breached confidentiality and acted unprofessionally. That was unsurvivable. Something the Chair did not understand, but a fact that the major shareholder, ie the Government, did.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/07/2023 16:20

I agree, @Needmoresleep but the reason Simon Jack, the BBC journalist, apologised to Farage himself is that it was a misrepresentation.

nauticant · 27/07/2023 15:33

Two things I've noticed about the BBC coverage. The first is that on the day the scandal properly broke, Farage's reveal of the SAR, the BBC coverage changed radically over the course of a day from minimisation to, at bedtime, "this might be rather serious". The second is that different parts of BBC News are handling this differently from relatively straightforward reporting to heavily spun.

Needmoresleep · 27/07/2023 15:25

She had to resign because she talked about a client’s account to a journalist.

There may be other reasons, but breaching client confidentiality is inexcusable.

DysonSpheres · 27/07/2023 15:19

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/07/2023 15:07

No mention of who "the source familiar with the matter" was, and that she had to resign over it because of the claim by the BBC, from her own leak, that it was because he didn't have enough money!

It is rather lacking in detail. Rather astoundingly so.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/07/2023 15:07

No mention of who "the source familiar with the matter" was, and that she had to resign over it because of the claim by the BBC, from her own leak, that it was because he didn't have enough money!

DysonSpheres · 27/07/2023 15:03

The BBC still struggling to relay the facts, as opposed to what they want the facts to be.

The BBC reported that it was closed because he no longer met the wealth threshold for Coutts, citing a source familiar with the matter.
However, Mr Farage later obtained a report from the Bank which indicated his political views were also considered.

ResisterRex · 27/07/2023 14:33

Head of Coutts has now also resigned

Coutts Bank boss quits over Farage account row www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66328666

EdithStourton · 27/07/2023 13:53

@CaveMum I hope they get somewhere.

FannyCann · 27/07/2023 13:51

Very shocking @CaveMum

This really has opened a can of worms hasn't it?

Hopefully the scandal will mean changes for the better but it probably won't happen in a hurry.

FannyCann · 27/07/2023 13:50

@Hepwo GrinGrin

*Yes, bank's have non executive risk committees as part of the board structure.

I doubt very much they had risk of "tanking the share price as a result of the CEOs prejudice on the risk register.

We call them all Neddies for a reason.*

CaveMum · 27/07/2023 13:49

@EdithStourton MP Philip Davies, who is part of the Parliamentary group for horse racing is on the case and the bookmakers association have meetings with the Treasury Minister Andrew Griffiths lined up.

Funnily enough, the bank that shut down all the accounts for the bookmaker I mentioned above was NatWest. Definitely something fishy going on there.

EdithStourton · 27/07/2023 13:46

@CaveMum that is shocking. Is anyone trying to find out the justification?

CaveMum · 27/07/2023 13:44

There are a lot of people that have been targeted with banking closures. There’s a report in the Racing Post (I work in horse racing) today to say that a number of on-course bookmakers have had their accounts closed with no explanation in recent months.

Now whether you agree with gambling or not is neither here nor there, these are legitimate businesses who have to comply with strict money laundering legislation in order to be able to operate. One bookmaker not only had his own personal and business accounts closed, but also accounts for charities and organisations where he was a signatory.

https://www.racingpost.com/news/britain/banks-closure-of-racecourse-bookmaker-accounts-described-as-a-scandal-aBBRQ8g1ArP4/

Banks' closure of racecourse bookmaker accounts described as a 'scandal'

https://www.racingpost.com/news/britain/banks-closure-of-racecourse-bookmaker-accounts-described-as-a-scandal-aBBRQ8g1ArP4/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/07/2023 13:42
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Hepwo · 27/07/2023 13:41

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/07/2023 12:29

What on earth did Coutts think they were doing. They even knew that Farage going public was a significant risk.

Yes, bank's have non executive risk committees as part of the board structure.

I doubt very much they had risk of "tanking the share price as a result of the CEOs prejudice on the risk register.

We call them all Neddies for a reason.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 27/07/2023 13:38

Needmoresleep · 27/07/2023 13:34

Its good. It was a scandal that needed to happen. Banks pay very little attention to their more vulnerable customers, including those with no access to the internet, or who have a Power of Attorney. Presumably because they can't make much money from them.

Access to banking is now almost a necessity. Real thought needs to be given to how banks operate in regards to their wider customer base. Inclusivity is NOT rainbows during pride month. It is about access for everyone.

Let us all thank Farage....

putting a rainbow behind your logo on linked in and trying to pressure your employees into putting pronouns in their email signatures is a lot easier and cheaper though innit?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/07/2023 13:37

Completely agree but I doubt it's something the banking industry welcomes!

Needmoresleep · 27/07/2023 13:34

Its good. It was a scandal that needed to happen. Banks pay very little attention to their more vulnerable customers, including those with no access to the internet, or who have a Power of Attorney. Presumably because they can't make much money from them.

Access to banking is now almost a necessity. Real thought needs to be given to how banks operate in regards to their wider customer base. Inclusivity is NOT rainbows during pride month. It is about access for everyone.

Let us all thank Farage....

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/07/2023 12:31

I mean in "debanking" an ex politician with a strong media platform in the first place. Now it's opened up a huge banking scandal.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/07/2023 12:29

What on earth did Coutts think they were doing. They even knew that Farage going public was a significant risk.

Needmoresleep · 27/07/2023 12:28

The new story is shocking.

Banks should have rules like utility companies which prevent them from cutting off services to the elderly/vulnerable, and an obligation to provide help when needed.

Barbadossunset · 27/07/2023 12:27

Chairman Sir Howard Davies has previous form:

The London School of Economics accepted a £1.5m ($2.4m) donation from the family of Muammer Gaddafi that may have been raised from bribes paid to the dictator’s family by companies seeking “business favours” from the regime, an independent report into the college’s links to Libya has revealed. The report, written by Lord Woolf, former chief justice, was commissioned by the LSE in the wake of Sir Howard Davies’ resignation from his post as LSE director in March over the controversy. Sir Howard was personally responsible for some of the failures that led to the scandal, the inquiry found.