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Here are 6 reasons why we need a truly queer environmental movement

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IwantToRetire · 29/06/2023 17:37

LGBTQIA+ people are among the most impacted by the climate crisis

Queerness offers a much-needed fresh perspective.

Being a queer environmental movement means standing alongside feminism, and any efforts to dismantle the patriarchy and redefine these roles.

“Queer ecology” is about seeing with new eyes, challenging the biases we bring to nature and redefining what we see as “natural”.

Governments, corporate and economic globalisation, science and technology – are all shaped by the cultural norms of the white, wealthy, western, non-disabled, male, cisgender and heterosexual.

Many queer people have forged strong connections with our own communities and networks. We have the experience of mobilising people as we fight for justice, standing in solidarity with others.

https://friendsoftheearth.uk/system-change/six-reasons-why-im-calling-queer-climate-movement

Just in case you thought queer politics cant have permeated every part of society, this shows that queerness is seen as making you superior, whilst at the same time saying you are the most marginalised.

NB - the quotes above are my extracts, not the full in depth analysis of the article!!

Six reasons why I'm calling for a queer climate movement | Friends of the Earth

Lewis Carr (he/they), a Campaigner at Friends of the Earth, reminds us that creating a fairer and greener world for everyone needs to include everyone, including the LGBTQIA+ community, and that doing so could help unlock the change we all so desperate...

https://friendsoftheearth.uk/system-change/six-reasons-why-im-calling-queer-climate-movement

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Ourladycheesusedatum · 30/06/2023 06:31

Justme56 · 29/06/2023 22:37

Saw this on Twitter and it seemed quite appropriate to this thread.

Bloody hell, that letter screams blackmail.
Isnt that illegal?

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IwantToRetire · 29/06/2023 23:46

Ah sorry, it appears you've naively fallen prey to the 'divide and conquer' tactics of the far right who are (futilely) trying to alienate the LGBTQ community from each other.

I dont know if you are very young and a bit niave, but everybody knows that in fact actual lesbians and gay men wont nothing to do with every expanding (seeking more sources of funding) alphabet soup that pretends is it standing up for people's rights.

You dont honestly think that people who are same sex attracted, note the word sex, want anything to do with a group that tries to tell them they are transphobic for rejecting those who "identify" as the opposite sex.

Anymore than people who are genuinely intersex, a medical term, want to be co-opted by air-heads who go on about multiple genders.

The community you are seeming to support is a laughing stock, but worst of all bullies who go out of their way to try and stop people, eg lesbians and gay men, and of course women, for standing up for their sexuality and sex.

There is no divide and conquer. All on their very own, the rainbow coalition is alienating people, including those they falsely claim (to get more funding) to represent.

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eurochick · 29/06/2023 23:05

Justme56 · 29/06/2023 22:37

Saw this on Twitter and it seemed quite appropriate to this thread.

Send the grammar police round!

Signalbox · 29/06/2023 23:05

Justme56 · 29/06/2023 22:37

Saw this on Twitter and it seemed quite appropriate to this thread.

Oh brilliant. I wonder who will be the Nazis and who will be being genocided when it kicks off? Will there be a hyperbole face-off?

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/06/2023 22:57

LGBTQIA+ communities are more marginalised, poorer and younger than 'average'. However, I'm not sure they are some of the most impacted.

Do people get less gay as they age? Interesting!

And it's all a bit 'forced teaming' isn't it? All the white, male, gay couples I know are minted compared to the single, lesbian mums.

dcbc1234 · 29/06/2023 22:53

Justme56 · 29/06/2023 22:37

Saw this on Twitter and it seemed quite appropriate to this thread.

That has a ring of terrorism and blackmail about it.

Ofcourseshecan · 29/06/2023 22:42

Damn, I’ve supported Friends of the Earth for decades, and hadn’t seen any transfuckwittery from them up till now.

Justme56 · 29/06/2023 22:37

Saw this on Twitter and it seemed quite appropriate to this thread.

Here are 6 reasons why we need a truly queer environmental movement
Hepwo · 29/06/2023 22:35

And the H it seems now.

suggestionsplease1 · 29/06/2023 22:33

dimorphism · 29/06/2023 22:25

If you're a proponent of self ID then just identify out of the impacts of climate change. It makes as much sense as identifying out of biological sex. Either material reality matters or it doesn't.

Hmm, maybe you should go and present your case to the hijra community in Bangladesh

www.reuters.com/article/bangladesh-lgbt-disaster-idUSL8N2Y25VM

Hepwo · 29/06/2023 22:33

suggestionsplease1 · 29/06/2023 22:16

Ah sorry, it appears you've naively fallen prey to the 'divide and conquer' tactics of the far right who are (futilely) trying to alienate the LGBTQ community from each other.

There do seem to be some people, not in the community, that have fallen for these tactics, but be reassured: this is not what is happening amongst the LGBTQ community itself, where there remains very high levels of support from LGB to the T, and vice versa.

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Your posts always make me chuckle.

"The community itself"!

If no-one is alienated from the community vis a vis your "futile" comment, then those in the community are all in the community? And yet people in the community have actually told you on here they are alienated?

Is it a community itself, a single community or are there many communities, some you pretend don't exist?

Other communities are available! I've seen them!
😀

You missed off the Q in the last bit by the way.

Froodwithatowel · 29/06/2023 22:29

suggestionsplease1 · 29/06/2023 22:16

Ah sorry, it appears you've naively fallen prey to the 'divide and conquer' tactics of the far right who are (futilely) trying to alienate the LGBTQ community from each other.

There do seem to be some people, not in the community, that have fallen for these tactics, but be reassured: this is not what is happening amongst the LGBTQ community itself, where there remains very high levels of support from LGB to the T, and vice versa.

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That's interesting, seeing as how I've heard on radio Nancy Kelley and Veronica Ivy explain that homosexual women are sexual racists for wanting to be homosexual? I thought Kelley was at the time head of Stonewall - surely they're not far right?!

dimorphism · 29/06/2023 22:25

If you're a proponent of self ID then just identify out of the impacts of climate change. It makes as much sense as identifying out of biological sex. Either material reality matters or it doesn't.

inkjet · 29/06/2023 22:18

If there is climate collapse there will be no blue hair dye and no-one will know who’s queer. We owe it to humanity to not let this happen.

suggestionsplease1 · 29/06/2023 22:16

Froodwithatowel · 29/06/2023 22:09

Gay meaning homosexual? The group actually at risk in many countries such as being thrown off roof tops? I thought they'd been cast out of the acronym for being sexual racists?

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Ah sorry, it appears you've naively fallen prey to the 'divide and conquer' tactics of the far right who are (futilely) trying to alienate the LGBTQ community from each other.

There do seem to be some people, not in the community, that have fallen for these tactics, but be reassured: this is not what is happening amongst the LGBTQ community itself, where there remains very high levels of support from LGB to the T, and vice versa.

Froodwithatowel · 29/06/2023 22:09

suggestionsplease1 · 29/06/2023 21:50

It's not a top trumps game, and nobody is in any doubt that there are other social groups that will be at particular risk too.

The assertion in the article is "LGBTQIA+ people are among the most impacted by the climate crisis"

This is perfectly accurate. I am sure LGBTQ older and disabled gay people are disproportionately at risk too.

Did you read this report?

'https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9408

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Gay meaning homosexual? The group actually at risk in many countries such as being thrown off roof tops? I thought they'd been cast out of the acronym for being sexual racists?

Wiccan · 29/06/2023 21:53

dcbc1234 · 29/06/2023 21:44

I have some hope that they will eventually have overreached so much that the whole house of cards will tumble down.
If you shove 'rainbows' in people's faces for too long and too often, people eventually find them triggering and start to avoid lol.

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You're not wrong I went to B&Q a few days ago to get some paint and the stand with all the colour cards damned near gave me a panic attack .

suggestionsplease1 · 29/06/2023 21:50

Froodwithatowel · 29/06/2023 21:31

Can I ask for where to find evidence that trans, queer, furry and n/b sub-Saharan citizens are living in more precarious situations than for example children, the elderly or the disabled?

It's not a top trumps game, and nobody is in any doubt that there are other social groups that will be at particular risk too.

The assertion in the article is "LGBTQIA+ people are among the most impacted by the climate crisis"

This is perfectly accurate. I am sure LGBTQ older and disabled gay people are disproportionately at risk too.

Did you read this report?

'https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9408

dcbc1234 · 29/06/2023 21:44

Wiccan · 29/06/2023 21:15

Fucking excellent 👏😂

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I have some hope that they will eventually have overreached so much that the whole house of cards will tumble down.
If you shove 'rainbows' in people's faces for too long and too often, people eventually find them triggering and start to avoid lol.

SidewaysOtter · 29/06/2023 21:42

LGBTQIA+ people are among the most impacted by the climate crisis

Environmentally friendly glitter is more expensive?

Froodwithatowel · 29/06/2023 21:31

Can I ask for where to find evidence that trans, queer, furry and n/b sub-Saharan citizens are living in more precarious situations than for example children, the elderly or the disabled?

suggestionsplease1 · 29/06/2023 21:20

Pallisers · 29/06/2023 21:14

LGBTQIA+ people are among the most impacted by the climate crisis

Who knew that sub-saharan africa and small island nations had a disproportionately large number of queer folk.

The LGBTQ folk that exist in these countries will be disproportionately at risk of adverse impact of climate change events due to their precarious living situations.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9408/

Wiccan · 29/06/2023 21:15

IncomingTraffic · 29/06/2023 19:31

I’m even more angry now, having looked at the 6 reasons.

  1. ‘queer’ people are the mostest marginalised and vulnerable group that have ever existed.
  2. ’queer’ people are super special and can think of things those boring normies couldn’t possibly imagine
  3. somehow climate change is caused by gender
  4. Queer people are special because they are keen on reimagining reality to suit themselves
  5. Some utterly myopic bullshit about social justice that somehow fails to recognise that white middle class Americans positioning themselves as more vulnerable than subsistence farmers whose lives have been wiped out by flooding in South Sudan (for example) is the opposite of actual social justice
  6. queer people are the only people who know how to protest. Any other movement can only be successful if it’s holding the furry costume tails of the alphabet soup of identity

Fucking excellent 👏😂

Pallisers · 29/06/2023 21:14

LGBTQIA+ people are among the most impacted by the climate crisis

Who knew that sub-saharan africa and small island nations had a disproportionately large number of queer folk.

Wiccan · 29/06/2023 21:07

outdooryone · 29/06/2023 19:27

LGBTQIA+ people are among the most impacted by the climate crisis

I work in an area of climate change. It is true to say communities who are marginalised, poor, women and the young will be more impacted by climate change.

LGBTQIA+ communities are more marginalised, poorer and younger than 'average'. However, I'm not sure they are some of the most impacted.

I'm struggling to find exact figures or reports that are not somewhat sensationalised LGBTQIA+ articles making claims.

Without getting into a race/argument to say who is most impacted, I find the article rather at odds with inclusion of others. Almost a primacy of someone because they are LGBTQIA+, rather than because they are most impacted or considerably impacted. The defining factors here should be the amount of impact climate change will have on a community or individual, and an inclusive approach of a range of views, voices and needs.

OMG did you actually take valuable time from your day to read that pile of cack ? 🤣

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