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Did anyone see the ITV News piece about of water bills on customers?

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inkjet · 29/06/2023 10:45

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1674332639921045505

Yes this is the feminism board. Paul Embery clipped it but I wonder if anyone saw it in full? He says the piece was about the impact of soaring water bills on an everyday mother. The voiceover calls the person a customer but the customer calls themself a mum. On the Twitter thread someone points out that the customer works for the TUC and is an economist who has been published in the Guardian. I think it’s fair to say the customer is neither a mother nor an ‘everyday’ one.

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1674332639921045505

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Whatthechicken · 02/07/2023 20:25

WhereAreWeNow · 02/07/2023 20:08

I'm guessing this is the protocol he's talking about https://www.canadianbreastfeedingfoundation.org/induced/regular_protocol.shtml

I have no idea if it's recommended in the UK or whether there have been any studies into the nutritional content (and toxicity) of what a trans identified man can produce in this way.

I am an adopter in the UK, breastfeeding isn’t even discussed. We are well aware it would not benefit the baby. I am really fucking upset that adopters are again being used as a justification. See my post a page or so ago, I mentioned that we are used as props for this reason too.

BorgQueen · 02/07/2023 20:14

Has anyone noticed where he said the breastpump in shot on itv was his ‘housemate’s’ who has a young baby?
That begs the question : where is the Mother of His child?

Very strange if they all live together, also very strange if he doesn’t live with his child’s Mum.
He isn’t ‘feeding’ that baby anything on his repulsive photo, the baby doesn’t look latched on at all.

WhereAreWeNow · 02/07/2023 20:09

Personally, I was scared to take antibiotics when I had mastitis and I avoided all alcohol when BFing, I was so scared of passing anything on to DD through my milk. I can't imagine taking a cocktail of hormones to induce lactation.

Forwarder · 02/07/2023 20:04

ArabeIIaScott · 02/07/2023 19:52

I had thought men claiming to breastfeed was an extreme outlier occurrence, the kind of story you struggle to believe is true and that people claim you are inventing. Surely no rational person would claim that a male full of hormones would attempt this; there cant be any research into the possible effects or impacts?

This is absurdity. Insanity. It has to stop now.

The fact this man is high up in the TUC explains a lot.

MinervaBoudicca · 02/07/2023 20:04

It’s abuse.

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ArabeIIaScott · 02/07/2023 19:52

I had thought men claiming to breastfeed was an extreme outlier occurrence, the kind of story you struggle to believe is true and that people claim you are inventing. Surely no rational person would claim that a male full of hormones would attempt this; there cant be any research into the possible effects or impacts?

This is absurdity. Insanity. It has to stop now.

Froodwithatowel · 02/07/2023 19:51

Yeah. For whose benefit is that baby swallowing male breast secretions?

Clymene · 02/07/2023 19:47

I feel really sick

RealityFan · 02/07/2023 19:41

of course Mika's replies are all shut off, leading him to one of the worst echo chambers I've ever seen, conflating that men/can breastfeed, anyone objecting/is a transphobe/cares not a jot for the infinite range of issues affecting women, he's the butt of facist jibes/for being criticized over beyond the pale activities like males simulating breastfeeding/that we should all agree is perfectly sane if we were trans champions.

As I said, this is a purity test for those who purport to fully support TRA or at very least are agnostic/want to #BeKind, and a test of patience for the rest of us...that women and right thinking men can be gaslit to toxic levels, knowing there'll be something else, likely worse just around the corner.

ArabeIIaScott · 02/07/2023 19:31

I also hope Mika's partner, the baby's mother, is okay and has a good support network.

Boiledbeetle · 02/07/2023 19:29

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Did anyone see the ITV News piece about of water bills on customers?
ArabeIIaScott · 02/07/2023 19:26

That poor kid.

A.child is not a prop.

RealityFan · 02/07/2023 19:22

It's a purity test. Post a picture of a male body simulating breastfeeding. Conflate it with "a man can be a mother". And test the water.
Do this in 2007 when Twitter started and you'd be globally laughed off the platform. Even in 2013. In 2018? Sands shifting. 2023? There's a question.

Of course, who in (im)polite society will speak up against this? Taylor Swift? No. Sandi Toksvig? No chance. Elton John? Um. Angela Rayner? No way. Owen Jones? We already know. NHS chiefs? Not on your life. Heads of education? Don't hold your breath. All those journalists ignoring the genderwoo to only be high and mighty and principled over Bxt, migrants crisis, Partygate? Don't forget to switch off the lights and lock the door on the way out.

And so it's left to the rest of us. Women sick and tired of reheated misogyny, now from the #BeKind brigade, men like me pissed off the likes of Starmer won't be brave.

So, this photo gets Tweeted and it's so far beyond the pale, that you have to double check reality for a moment, and realise that swathes of those in charge see nothing wrong here, or if they do, they are scared witless to say anything skeptical.

IwantToRetire · 02/07/2023 19:20

Typical self denial about how wrong their tactics are, blaming those who reacted to this "news" story as falling victim to distractions when the real story was about the price of water, never for one moment thinking we were in the wrong to push our personal agenda onto a news story, as it will detract from the real story.

The smug, self absordedness of this whole approach would be laughable if it wasnt so dangerous.

Whatthechicken · 02/07/2023 19:15

This makes me really upset and distressed, there is no protocol in the UK for adoptive mothers to breast feed, it absolutely isn’t a thing, it NEVER happens. It isn’t a thing because we understand it isn’t in the interests of the baby. Again, using adoption as a crutch makes me feel sick.

Did anyone see the ITV News piece about of water bills on customers?
RealityFan · 02/07/2023 19:03

Imnobody4 · 02/07/2023 18:47

Mika is tweeting including about breastfeeding.

https://twitter.com/mikaminio/status/1675473919065612288?t=GhAz4ooq3wFkoyC8DStYeg&s=19

This seems like a premeditated stunt by an activist editor.

Just stop it. The gaslighting is off the scale. In any other situation you would get deserved sympathy for a serious health condition and stress on the family.

But it suits you to try and conflate tugging on heartstrings with a "woe is me" series of Tweets on transphobia and then, oh, the actual point of the original ITV piece, women's issues with water bills.

You should be ashamed of yourself, ITV not far behind. When is this demeaning if women going to end?

Imnobody4 · 02/07/2023 18:50

This is the text from tweet for those who are having trouble with twitter. It includes a photo.

In the end, I only breastfed my child for a few weeks.
I then had to stop because I had a cancer relapse and didn't want to poison my child.
Here's me on the bus to hospital for the 1st chemo round, feeding my child for the last time

Imnobody4 · 02/07/2023 18:47

Mika is tweeting including about breastfeeding.

https://twitter.com/mikaminio/status/1675473919065612288?t=GhAz4ooq3wFkoyC8DStYeg&s=19

This seems like a premeditated stunt by an activist editor.

https://twitter.com/mikaminio/status/1675473919065612288?s=19&t=GhAz4ooq3wFkoyC8DStYeg

Thelnebriati · 02/07/2023 18:34

Blog post including some of the vile insults and inaccurate tweets aimed at Rosie Duffield;

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/you-aint-no-mum-bruv

Rosie is Right: No Man is a Mum

The sneaky trans activism of ITV News

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/you-aint-no-mum-bruv

RealityFan · 02/07/2023 17:18

IwantToRetire · 02/07/2023 17:05

Its just shocking really isn't it.

I long ago realised the news was filtered through the politics of an organisation, and so take all stories with a pinch of salt.

Put this is a whole step further. Where you use your positions as a "news" reporter to actually distort the news to substantiate your personal politics / life choices.

Although of course Owen Jones has been doing this for years!

Owen Jones isn't comparable here. He's a f/t polemicist, another angry leftie who has an audience online, Novara Media etc.

In this respect he's just another voice.

Paul Brand on ITV is a totally different kettle of fish, he's effectively subverted a national news service to present his bias as part of a news article, in this case, water/water bills/women/paying them.

In no way can this story be allowed to be polemical.

ITV fail their remit.

IwantToRetire · 02/07/2023 17:05

Its just shocking really isn't it.

I long ago realised the news was filtered through the politics of an organisation, and so take all stories with a pinch of salt.

Put this is a whole step further. Where you use your positions as a "news" reporter to actually distort the news to substantiate your personal politics / life choices.

Although of course Owen Jones has been doing this for years!

MrsJamin · 02/07/2023 08:18

That explains a lot @IwantToRetire - I expect more mother-hating and pro-surrogacy news on itv then. If you can buy a baby, you can let a man say he's a mum.

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