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Did anyone see the ITV News piece about of water bills on customers?

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inkjet · 29/06/2023 10:45

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1674332639921045505

Yes this is the feminism board. Paul Embery clipped it but I wonder if anyone saw it in full? He says the piece was about the impact of soaring water bills on an everyday mother. The voiceover calls the person a customer but the customer calls themself a mum. On the Twitter thread someone points out that the customer works for the TUC and is an economist who has been published in the Guardian. I think it’s fair to say the customer is neither a mother nor an ‘everyday’ one.

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1674332639921045505

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IamAporcupine · 29/06/2023 18:26

@Flickersy - do you think males can be mothers?

MissMissive · 29/06/2023 18:26

Flickersy · 29/06/2023 17:36

If you're going to define "mother" as "the one who carries and births the child" and insist that no-one else can "appropriate" the word or give it away, then you'd better be able to back it up when others point out that excludes an awful lot of legitimate mothers.

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This is ever so odd. I haven’t said this at all, you know?

Nice and simple - mother = female parent.

Clymene · 29/06/2023 18:24

That was in response to a poster in the other thread @Flickersy. I'm sorry I've confused you.

MissMissive · 29/06/2023 18:24

Flickersy · 29/06/2023 17:34

Not if you're going to insist on the legal definition of "the one who carries and births the child" it doesn't. It excludes a lot of female parents.

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How strange. I’ve said the opposite of that?

Froodwithatowel · 29/06/2023 18:21

That is a male role playing. It's not a game I will be joining in with, as it's fantastically disrespectful to women.

Flickersy · 29/06/2023 18:20

Clymene · 29/06/2023 17:51

I posted the legal definition @Flickersy. I'm sorry you find that difficult to parse. I can't help you with your reading comprehension I'm afraid.

You posted the legal definition and then declared it was no-one elses to give away. I.e. it's only those who meet the legal definition who get to decide who is a mother. Which is patently incorrect.

Wiccan · 29/06/2023 18:14

Yummingtons · 29/06/2023 18:11

No, it's not cisgender woman, just woman.

We have plodded along for thousands of years just being called woman and it is not for you and a small minority to change it.

Abso fucking lutly agree.

Yummingtons · 29/06/2023 18:11

No, it's not cisgender woman, just woman.

We have plodded along for thousands of years just being called woman and it is not for you and a small minority to change it.

Wiccan · 29/06/2023 18:01

MowingTheTerf · 29/06/2023 17:56

I did see that news item and did wonder, and TBH I'm more furious that this person isn't just a normal cost-of-living struggling person, they are the climate spokesman for the TUC (so hardly poor and likely politically biased).

Wonder how they got on ITV? Not really a neutral party!

Agree , it's was a news item completely filled with bullshit ,virtue signaling.

TeaKlaxon · 29/06/2023 18:00

Clymene · 29/06/2023 17:51

I posted the legal definition @Flickersy. I'm sorry you find that difficult to parse. I can't help you with your reading comprehension I'm afraid.

Just to point out, your insistence that only this ‘legal definition’ be used is not just batshit in a discussion about general conversation and not a legal case, it is also incorrect to claim that only people who meet that definition are mothers under the law.

MowingTheTerf · 29/06/2023 17:56

I did see that news item and did wonder, and TBH I'm more furious that this person isn't just a normal cost-of-living struggling person, they are the climate spokesman for the TUC (so hardly poor and likely politically biased).

Wonder how they got on ITV? Not really a neutral party!

Clymene · 29/06/2023 17:51

I posted the legal definition @Flickersy. I'm sorry you find that difficult to parse. I can't help you with your reading comprehension I'm afraid.

TeaKlaxon · 29/06/2023 17:49

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puffyisgood · 29/06/2023 17:48

I can accept that person as a mother slightly more easily that I can as a woman. But still hardly at all, not least because I'm guessing that in this case there's a very real mother lurking somewhere in the back- or foreground.

Wiccan · 29/06/2023 17:45

Flickersy · 29/06/2023 17:43

No, defining mother as "the one who carries and births a child" does NOT include all women who are mothers.

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The point here is men cannot be mothers End of !

Flickersy · 29/06/2023 17:44

Clymene · 29/06/2023 17:39

@Flickersy - a lot of people have explained this to you repeatedly. I'm not sure what further information you need?

You can't throw out one definition which is not fit for purpose, say that "mother" is no-one elses to use or give away, and then when challenged move the goalposts and say "oh but I meant ALL women who mother".

Flickersy · 29/06/2023 17:43

Wiccan · 29/06/2023 17:42

Yes it covers all women but not men ! Men cannot be mothers . It ain't difficult .

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No, defining mother as "the one who carries and births a child" does NOT include all women who are mothers.

Wiccan · 29/06/2023 17:42

Flickersy · 29/06/2023 17:36

If you're going to define "mother" as "the one who carries and births the child" and insist that no-one else can "appropriate" the word or give it away, then you'd better be able to back it up when others point out that excludes an awful lot of legitimate mothers.

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Yes it covers all women but not men ! Men cannot be mothers . It ain't difficult .

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 29/06/2023 17:40

‘It would mean that a foster carer who calls herself a mum would be hauled over the coals. Or a gran who is raising her young grandkids who might sometimes describe herself as a mum to reflect that she's actually raising them, not just a typical granny.

Let's face it, no one here thinks those people's use of words should be policed.’

I believe that licensed foster carers have fairly stringent guidelines on what they encourage their fosterlings to call them, and ‘mother’ would not be used by most temporary carers, because it would be confusing to a child who might well be returning to their birth mother, or be adopted by a woman who then becomes their legal mother. I presume that even in these enlightened times, AMAB who encouraged a foster child to call them ‘mother’ might not make the cut.

I can’t imagine a grandmother calling herself a child’s ‘mother’ ( sometimes posters protest when this has happened albeit temporarily and it is generally condemned as either ‘creepy’ or ‘batshit’. Still more if the carer was the child’s biological grandfather.

2/10.Must try harder.

Clymene · 29/06/2023 17:39

@Flickersy - a lot of people have explained this to you repeatedly. I'm not sure what further information you need?

Flickersy · 29/06/2023 17:36

MissMissive · 29/06/2023 17:32

I wonder why people are spending so much time detailing this thread on semantics. It’s pretty obvious that ‘not men’ is the point. Actually I don’t wonder, it’s as plain as day.

If you're going to define "mother" as "the one who carries and births the child" and insist that no-one else can "appropriate" the word or give it away, then you'd better be able to back it up when others point out that excludes an awful lot of legitimate mothers.

Wiccan · 29/06/2023 17:34

Well ITV got exactly what they wanted! making it nothing to do with water bills everything to do with trans ideology and getting plenty of people's backs up . I'm surprised they didn't have Philip Schofield in a dress bitching about how difficult it is to pay the bills now he's lost his job !

Flickersy · 29/06/2023 17:34

MissMissive · 29/06/2023 17:31

Well glad we’ve cleared that up then. Female parents in all forms. Not men.

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Not if you're going to insist on the legal definition of "the one who carries and births the child" it doesn't. It excludes a lot of female parents.

Rubytoos · 29/06/2023 17:33

I’d love to see him trying to express breast milk with that pump

MissMissive · 29/06/2023 17:32

I wonder why people are spending so much time detailing this thread on semantics. It’s pretty obvious that ‘not men’ is the point. Actually I don’t wonder, it’s as plain as day.