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Did anyone see the ITV News piece about of water bills on customers?

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inkjet · 29/06/2023 10:45

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1674332639921045505

Yes this is the feminism board. Paul Embery clipped it but I wonder if anyone saw it in full? He says the piece was about the impact of soaring water bills on an everyday mother. The voiceover calls the person a customer but the customer calls themself a mum. On the Twitter thread someone points out that the customer works for the TUC and is an economist who has been published in the Guardian. I think it’s fair to say the customer is neither a mother nor an ‘everyday’ one.

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1674332639921045505

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ArabeIIaScott · 30/06/2023 22:10

Unsure33 · 30/06/2023 20:41

All they had to say was “parent” . Don’t really care how mika was dressed or what they were doing ( even though it came across as a parody of what a woman’s work is.

This was deliberate just to wind women up . No doubt about it.

and it has resulted in Rosie Duffield being attacked from all sides . Can you believe it attacked for telling the truth , an MP telling the truth .

it’s a parallel world .

Yep.

ChineseFakeaway · 30/06/2023 21:34

Clymene · 29/06/2023 23:53

The TUC has posted on Twitter.

Today a member of TUC staff, Mika Minio-Paluello, is being subjected to anti-trans abuse online, because she is a mother.

This is unacceptable.

Everyone should be safe and respected at work.

I haven't seen any abuse but lots of people are pissed off because Mika isn't a mother.

Great to see they think doing the washing up and shoving a couple of things in the washing machine is work and we should be safe and respected while doing that. Remind me how much support the TUC gives to SAHMs?

I deplore any sort of online abuse for any reason, just to be clear.

But this tweet did make me laugh, for other reasons.

It’s such a brain-twisting load of nonsense 🤣

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Froodwithatowel · 30/06/2023 20:58

Unsure33 · 30/06/2023 20:41

All they had to say was “parent” . Don’t really care how mika was dressed or what they were doing ( even though it came across as a parody of what a woman’s work is.

This was deliberate just to wind women up . No doubt about it.

and it has resulted in Rosie Duffield being attacked from all sides . Can you believe it attacked for telling the truth , an MP telling the truth .

it’s a parallel world .

Come on Rosie. Cross the floor and bring the other few sane minds left in Labour with you.

Unsure33 · 30/06/2023 20:47

Also with the so called logic that’s being banded about if a man sadly lost his wife and became the only carer of his children and took over the laundry and washing up he would morph into the mother .

it’s ridiculous and insulting . But am I surprised ? No .

Unsure33 · 30/06/2023 20:44

@TeaKlaxon

its not policing everyday private conversation , this was on ITV .

And the law says that Mika can call themselves a mother but equally we don’t have to accept that .

Unsure33 · 30/06/2023 20:41

All they had to say was “parent” . Don’t really care how mika was dressed or what they were doing ( even though it came across as a parody of what a woman’s work is.

This was deliberate just to wind women up . No doubt about it.

and it has resulted in Rosie Duffield being attacked from all sides . Can you believe it attacked for telling the truth , an MP telling the truth .

it’s a parallel world .

Froodwithatowel · 30/06/2023 20:41

This 'you don't get to dictate what another person chooses to define themselves as' line is getting trotted out a lot.

As a busy yet benevolent Queen Victoria, I'm saying that they can define themselves to me as they choose. And I can in response say that they are talking bollocks and I'm not participating in their fantasy. And that they're actually not just being silly, but extremely offensive to others.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 30/06/2023 20:37

TeaKlaxon · 29/06/2023 17:24

You can believe what you like.

You don't get to dictate what other parents call themselves in everyday conversation, any more than I get to dictate what you call yourself within your family.

Do you apply that logic in all things? You see no issues if I call myself a policeman in everyday conversation and share my views on crime and disorder? If I call myself a vicar and share my views about the church? Can I call myself a doctor and suggest some improvements to health? Can I call myself 8 years old and join conversations about childhood? Can I call myself gay and give you my thoughts on homophobia? Can I call myself trans and chat about what being trans is all about? Can I call myself TeaKlaxon and explain in conversation how for me, being TeaKlaxon is all about being a person who enjoys being sanctimoniously judgemental?

Or is it just words for women that don't need objective common meanings?

senua · 30/06/2023 20:26

"Mika, can you have the camera crew round your house to film you pretending to be a "struggling mum? ".
Do you think it was actually Mika's place? Mika was so clumsy doing the dishes - it looked like Mika had never encountered a washing-up sponge before. And it could explain why Mika used a washing up bowl as a laundry basket - Mika couldn't find the real thing in somebody else's house.

00100001 · 30/06/2023 20:09

CriticalCondition · 30/06/2023 19:41

Mika was smiling quite a lot for a struggling mum in dangly earrings and a swishy skirt putting a load of washing on. I don't find it that much fun tbh.

Yeah , considering that this family are supposedly struggling to pay for "what the kids need" ....why the fuck are they putting on such tiny loads of washing that it doesn't even fill a washing up bowl?

CriticalCondition · 30/06/2023 19:41

Mika was smiling quite a lot for a struggling mum in dangly earrings and a swishy skirt putting a load of washing on. I don't find it that much fun tbh.

WhereAreWeNow · 30/06/2023 18:26

Thelnebriati · 30/06/2023 11:54

I'm curious, how do TV companies pick the people who will appear in these reports?

I'm guessing in this case it was directly via TUC. ITV would call TUC press office to say they're doing a story on Thames Water/cost of living/inflation, can the TUC provide a quote/spokesperson/case study. Press office would then call Mika. But that's where it gets weird. You would expect them to say "Mika, can you speak about your policy area as a spokesperson?". But it looks like somehow that turned into "Mika, can you have the camera crew round your house to film you pretending to be a "struggling mum? ". Very odd. Don't know what the TUC were thinking. This was never going to pan out well.

00100001 · 30/06/2023 16:36

ifIwerenotanandroid · 30/06/2023 12:31

Interesting tweet

It's because men ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN WOMEN.

KNOW YOUR PLACE MERE FEMALE....

00100001 · 30/06/2023 16:33

Caughtinlove · 30/06/2023 15:00

That article absolutely nails it, thank you for sharing. Language and words have power - and no, we didn't all agree collectively that the word 'mother' could be redefined.

Quite. I'm an amoeba now. And a giraffe.

inkjet · 30/06/2023 15:39

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25sheets · 30/06/2023 15:26

ArabeIIaScott · 29/06/2023 14:46

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He says he get's whistled at (or cat called) & called a laydeeeeeeeeee 😂

Caughtinlove · 30/06/2023 15:00

That article absolutely nails it, thank you for sharing. Language and words have power - and no, we didn't all agree collectively that the word 'mother' could be redefined.

ArabeIIaScott · 30/06/2023 13:50

'the idea that a biological male can be a mother radically changes what the word mother means. It empties the word of its biological, relational and social truths, of its historical essence, and rules that from now on anyone can be a mother. Male, female, neither, whatever: if you feel like you’re a mum, you’re a mum. ‘Mother’ no longer describes a real person, a real relationship; ‘mother’ is now a mere feeling, as likely to be felt by a man as by a woman.It is hard to think of another word as important to human society as mother. If we let them redefine even this word that binds families and communities together, then we are granting them dominion over reality itself. The power to overhaul a word like mother is a power no one should enjoy. It is cultural autocracy.'

From O'Neill's Speccy piece upthread.

ArabeIIaScott · 30/06/2023 13:31

This person has appeared several times on TV shows, so there will be various contacts who have their details on file.

CriticalCondition · 30/06/2023 13:16

Thelnebriati · 30/06/2023 11:54

I'm curious, how do TV companies pick the people who will appear in these reports?

It'll be some connection with someone in the production team. Sure as hell won't be because they knocked on doors in Random Street supplied by Thames Water and asked householders if they'd like to comment as struggling mothers on rising water bills.

I was approached many years ago by a newspaper for a comment on something from a particular 'angle'. They didn't pick me randomly from a list of people in the relevant sector or through any research or publicly available information. It was because the journalist was a friend of another reporter at a different paper who I'd had some brief contact with through work and who still had my number scribbled in their notebook. Yes, it was that long ago.

Hepwo · 30/06/2023 13:10

Sunnydays41 · 29/06/2023 22:34

Owen Jones' misogyny and hatred of Rosie Duffield rearing its head...

Ignoring the fact that the original post by a man has far more comments, likes and retweets...

The looney left attacking a slightly less looney left aspiring PM, over a sane woman pointing out to a looney left union, that a man isn't a mother as known by everyone, bar the looney left.

What a great illustration!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/06/2023 12:40

ifIwerenotanandroid · 30/06/2023 12:31

Interesting tweet

It's one of the end games - remove the words mother, women etc from women and hand them over to certain men to colonise as their own.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 30/06/2023 12:31

Interesting tweet

Did anyone see the ITV News piece about of water bills on customers?
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