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Hospital prayer room for gravely ill children plastered with LGBT flags

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IwantToRetire · 29/06/2023 00:38

A hospital prayer room for gravely ill children and their families has been plastered with LGBT flags amid claims that the NHS is being hijacked by transgender ideology.

As part of a new inclusivity drive, a “sanctuary” at Edinburgh’s “Sick Kids” hospital, designed as a quiet space for those suffering trauma and grief, was taken over by symbols representing dozens of sexualities and genders.

The “spiritual care” facility previously described as offering room for “quiet reflection, prayer or meditation” was also rebranded a “chill-out zone” for Pride month, with rainbow-coloured signage directing patients and relatives to it.

The move has outraged some staff and family members of poorly children, with one clinician claiming a leading children’s hospital had been turned into a “social issues battlefield”.

Meanwhile, the family of a terminally ill toddler said they were no longer able to use the room to find comfort in their faith as it had become a “display of activism” which contradicted the teachings of mainstream religions.

The chaplaincy service at the hospital, one of the UK’s leading centres for paediatric care, is run by Maxwell Reay, a transgender man and activist who belongs to a fringe Christian congregation in Edinburgh.

Mr Reay, who has described being trans as a “gift from God”, is facing claims that he has breached rules which state hospital chaplains should not seek to impose their own beliefs when offering spiritual care.

Extracts from a Telegraph article reprinted in full by yahoo news https://uk.style.yahoo.com/hospital-prayer-room-gravely-ill-165852417.html

Scotland sure looks like it is trying to out pride everyone else!

Hospital prayer room for gravely ill children plastered with LGBT flags

A hospital prayer room for gravely ill children and their families has been plastered with LGBT flags amid claims that the NHS is being hijacked by transgender ideology.

https://uk.style.yahoo.com/hospital-prayer-room-gravely-ill-165852417.html

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IWillNoLie · 02/07/2023 00:33

There seem to be more science deniers on the far left.

DemiColon · 02/07/2023 00:08

theDudesmummy · 29/06/2023 17:38

I am sorry, but I said far right specifically, not "right wing". The far right are not just people whose politics I disagree with, I am not talking centre right or Tories, much as I have little in common with them and wouldn't want to break bread with them. I mean the real far right, like fascists, MRA, science deniers, some sections of USA evangelicals etc. That's who I meant. I'd still say nutjobs as a shorthand. And I still find myself on the same side of them in the trans culture war, which is not something I ever thought would happen.

I mean, with different opinions you might be associated with far left nut-jobs, or people like Stalin, so I don't really see the difference in the end?

Treaclemine · 01/07/2023 20:39

It's a very unfortunate photo of Reay: if that hove in sight to offer spiritual comfort, I would at the least feel a calling to the loo, at the worst a claim to be considering the attractions of Satan.

SirVixofVixHall · 30/06/2023 15:39

IwantToRetire · 29/06/2023 01:01

The whole article is almost like a spoof, how could any honest decent human being do this.

How come a hospital appointed someone from a fringe church, let alone someone who thinks trans is a gift from god.

And of all places to allow a fringe element of a fringe to impose their personal belief set on sick children and their families.

It's like all sense of proportion has been totally lost.

This.
Children do not have a sexuality, the adults in there are dealing with a tragic situation, and the last thing they care about is anyone’s sexual orientation.

Worldgonecrazy · 30/06/2023 15:33

I’m an ex hospital chaplain (minority religion). This sickens me, as respect for all was core to the role. The quiet / contemplative space should be as neutral as possible. One ideology should not trump another.

This person has set back their ‘cause’ by their actions.

Tropicaldi · 30/06/2023 15:21

The ‘lower professional standards’ have been fostered because EDI consultants like Stonewall have been working away for years to make hiring about EDI and not about competency. This is naturally going to lower standards, and all staff are going to be shitter and shitter, because there will be no one competent left to recognise competence or train people competently.

Tropicaldi · 30/06/2023 15:15

I think much of it is deliberate, by activists who wish to promote this ideology.

There’s been a concerted effort to enter organisations to exert power and influence. For example, Sarah Brown being elected as a local counsellor in Cambridge in order to quietly change the wording of policies to support male freedoms/female erasure without telling anyone, and get these ratified while the policies were being changed for some other reason.

I smell a rat around the many articles around Maxwell Reay about this NHS award received:

“It was the first time that the public has been able to nominate staff members”

O was it, aye.? 🤔

“The anonymous patient who nominated”

”Anonymous”? Very convenient.

Ms MacMurchie and Mr Reay praised the pair for their “commitment and compassion”.

“I wanted to nominate Maxwell and Lynne because of how much they’ve meant to me and how much their support has meant to other people that I’ve spoken to,” the patient said.

“It doesn’t matter how desperate things are, or how bad you’re feeling, the door is never closed. To be able to go somewhere and not have to leave a part of you at the door and for somebody to actually have that sense of who you are is remarkable.

“They’ll be like, ‘we know you don’t have any hope at the moment, but actually can we hold on to some of that hope for you?’. You really can’t put into words how much that means in some situations.”

Blah blah blah <cough> bullshit
https://www.scotsman.com/health/remarkable-duo-hailed-for-dedication-to-patients-1602685

Wiccan · 30/06/2023 15:09

The chaplain is a selfish narc . Looks like Catherine Tate's character " Derrick " and Just as creepy . So trans bollocks is more important that sick and dying children now?. If I had been a family member I would have ripped them down !

Helleofabore · 30/06/2023 14:51

"Is it about their lack of insight, lack of professional skills, being overwhelmed by their personal "needs"?"

"Or is it a consequence of society elevating a "sacred caste" to the extent they believe they're untouchable?"

I believe may be all of these.

I believe that many organisations have accepted much lower professional standards and some of this group has been led to believe that their behaviour is perfectly acceptable and 'righteously' understandable when they behaviour in ways that the majority think is unacceptable. I question how many are hired based on their activism records rather than their ability to do the job.

I also then believe that organisations realise that it would be very difficult to terminate employment based on this lowered standard of professional behaviour.

"If some people never get feedback when they've behaved in an offensive manner, presumably they go on to repeat the same behaviour."

Of course they do. It cycles through.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/06/2023 14:22

Helleofabore · 30/06/2023 14:11

This becomes clearer each day at the moment.

Which then leads to the question - why?
Why are we seeing so much unhinged, unprofessional behaviour from allegedly trained adults? Is it about their lack of insight, lack of professional skills, being overwhelmed by their personal "needs"?

Or is it a consequence of society elevating a "sacred caste" to the extent they believe they're untouchable? They're not required to observe the same standards of socially skilled behaviour, awareness of other's needs, even observe the fundamental principles of living in a diverse democratic society.
If some people never get feedback when they've behaved in an offensive manner, presumably they go on to repeat the same behaviour.

Helleofabore · 30/06/2023 14:11

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/06/2023 12:53

There does seem to be a pattern of unbelievable overreach where certain individuals lack any self discipline and ability to channel their "professional skills", instead using their workplace as a stage to push their personal "beliefs". Usually as is repeatedly demonstrated, to the detriment of others. Even more shameful when those others are amongst the genuinely most vulnerable in society.

This becomes clearer each day at the moment.

ErrolTheDragon · 30/06/2023 13:00

Treaclemine · 30/06/2023 12:17

I am puzzled that he is URC. This was a conjunction of Congregationalists and Presbyterians, both of which, when I was growing up in the C part of it, were thoughtful and serious about their theology. Neither of which did anything so high as anointing with oil, let alone glitter, and both had oversight from Moderators, and other local churches of the group. They were not so small, equivalent to Baptists and Methodists, though some isolated C's still exist. I'd have thought though, in Scotland, there was a good choice of P churches to belong to.

Im an atheist but my family was URC. I suppose they've form for being a bit more 'progressive' than other denominations - previously this was all good (women ministers since something like 1918, women elders, gay marriages as soon as they were legalised). And of course there's no reason for not having a trans minister if you're treating the sexes equally. But this ethos, together with a higher degree of autonomy for each church than many other denominations, probably leaves them more vulnerable to extremists.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/06/2023 12:53

Helleofabore · 30/06/2023 12:46

I still cannot believe that this vicar/minister has completely over looked the needs for the rest of society here. I understand they are personally very heavily invested, being a female transitioner. However, as others have said, it really seems that they are not well suited for their role.

Being a trans person in a chaplain role doesn’t give anyone a pass to make a place of worship such a political place.

There does seem to be a pattern of unbelievable overreach where certain individuals lack any self discipline and ability to channel their "professional skills", instead using their workplace as a stage to push their personal "beliefs". Usually as is repeatedly demonstrated, to the detriment of others. Even more shameful when those others are amongst the genuinely most vulnerable in society.

Helleofabore · 30/06/2023 12:46

I still cannot believe that this vicar/minister has completely over looked the needs for the rest of society here. I understand they are personally very heavily invested, being a female transitioner. However, as others have said, it really seems that they are not well suited for their role.

Being a trans person in a chaplain role doesn’t give anyone a pass to make a place of worship such a political place.

Treaclemine · 30/06/2023 12:17

I am puzzled that he is URC. This was a conjunction of Congregationalists and Presbyterians, both of which, when I was growing up in the C part of it, were thoughtful and serious about their theology. Neither of which did anything so high as anointing with oil, let alone glitter, and both had oversight from Moderators, and other local churches of the group. They were not so small, equivalent to Baptists and Methodists, though some isolated C's still exist. I'd have thought though, in Scotland, there was a good choice of P churches to belong to.

viques · 30/06/2023 09:49

Florissante · 30/06/2023 05:59

Also, glitter is difficult to get rid of from soft furnishings and is terrible for the environment. Kind of like TRAs, when you like about it.

I suppose that’s where glitter problems started , there weren’t many soft furnishings around In fishing and woodworking communities at that time, so no one realised what an issue it would be 2000 years later when our homes are filled with glitter attracting surfaces. Plus environmental concerns weren’t as widely known about, apart from random plagues of locusts and flies which were largely put down to vengeful divine retribution rather than human mismanagement.

SinnerBoy · 30/06/2023 08:14

😂

Florissante · 30/06/2023 05:59

Also, glitter is difficult to get rid of from soft furnishings and is terrible for the environment. Kind of like TRAs, when you like about it.

viques · 30/06/2023 02:23

Not that mainstream. Apparently they celebrated a Day of Visibility for Trans People in March, ( because Pride Month isn’t enough?) at which event Reay blessed oil, and glitter.

Now speaking as a non believer I have enough problems understanding the significance of transubstantiation when applied to bread and wine in the RC communion, but for the life of me I can’t believe that Jesus also blessed pots of glitter at the last supper and asked the disciples to take it and apply it in his name.

ErrolTheDragon · 30/06/2023 01:01

How come a hospital appointed someone from a fringe church, let alone someone who thinks trans is a gift from god.

Looks like Reay is from a URC church, which is quite a mainstream albeit smaller denomination www.augustine.org.uk/about-us/whos-who/

Which makes it worse, really.

CatherineofAragons · 30/06/2023 00:47

ButImNotOldEnough · 29/06/2023 04:44

It’s the same within schools here. In DD’s first year of high school not a single girl in her year identified as straight. They were A-sexual (not sure what sexual feelings kids of 11/12 expect to have anyway!), lesbians, pansexual, trans-animal, but none were straight. The fad is dying out among her year group now they’re in 3rd year but it’s heavily prevail at among S1 and 2s still. The school is covered in pride stuff year round, they are encouraged to explore their gender and sexuality (but they’re not encouraged to explore their biological sex).

The result has been quite a few teenage girls having to reverse come out when they finally realise they actually do like the opposite sex rather a lot. One girl has unfortunately found herself very alone by continuing to claim she’s a furry, no one else wants a thing to do with her because they all know they can’t identify as animals now.

But children are identifying as animals in schools. Just today someone was telling me about a child she knows who has decided they are a unicorn aged 9. The teacher is being forced to take this seriously and address him and treat him as a unicorn. Some of us were laughing derisively at this but one person in the group sat pofaced , obviously feeling we were being very politically incorrect. It really is the Emperors New Clothes. Intelligent mature people are being expected to swallow this twaddle.

The story about he hospice is appalling and the chaplain should be sacked.

ScrollingLeaves · 30/06/2023 00:39

Just awful. What an intrusion.

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IwantToRetire · 29/06/2023 23:50

Why doesn't someone just take them down, for fucks sake.

I cant be bothered to read the article again but am pretty sure they have been taken down under the guise that they were only having a Pride week, rather than the Pride month everyone else is being subjected to.

I suspect it got taken down because outraged parents couldn't help but complain about the truely heartless intrusion on a small place of sanctury, by self absorbed egotists.

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Waitwhat23 · 29/06/2023 23:45

NotBadConsidering · 29/06/2023 11:00

I would have a lot more respect - that is, start having some - for the regular TRAs who pop up here if any of them had the decency to condemn this sort of shit. Just once, I’d like some acknowledgment from TRAs saying “yeah, that’s bad”. A rapist raping women in a prison. The photoshopped historical photo. The commodification of a grieving space for the families of dying children. But none of them ever do. There is zero decency with their movement. Zero empathy. Nothing is off limits from their cause. I can’t wait for this toxic movement to disappear from our society.

This a million times. It's always, always 'yeah, but...' (if a situation is even acknowledged and not denied or handwaved away). Even with absolutely undeniably awful situations or events.