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Sharron Davies on Woman's Hour today (Wednesday)

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nauticant · 28/06/2023 10:03

She'll be discussing fareness in sport. Since this is the first time a post-Emma Barnett presenter (Nuala McGovern) will be looking at gender identity ideology, this could be interesting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001n8q3

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WinterTrees · 28/06/2023 10:38

Nuala sounds so reasonable but she's being incredibly disingenuous. Conflating kids being told they must compete with their biological sex, with 'being excluded from school sports'.

At least we know for sure now which mast her colours are pinned to.

NeedToKnow101 · 28/06/2023 10:38

I'll listen later but Sharron is so clearly correct in everything she says and writes about this issue. She's the voice of science, biology, real 'lived experience' and common sense. Sports that allow men into women's sports basically just don't give a shit about women's sports or actively want to destroy them.

TheReverendBeeb · 28/06/2023 10:37

Well said Sharron - I believe that women and girls are entitled to our opportunities - RESPECT!!

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nauticant · 28/06/2023 10:35

That should be "being quiet".

Nuala now relying on unclear headlines in newspapers to show how anti-trans some of the reaction is being. A bit weasely that.

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TheReverendBeeb · 28/06/2023 10:35

No Nuala, they are not speaking up because they are shit scared of being harassed and are leaving the sport. HTH

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nauticant · 28/06/2023 10:34

Nuala: maybe the women being quite is because it's the old useless ones who are not on board with trans rights while the younger ones are hip and cool over it.

Sharron is unconvinced.

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nauticant · 28/06/2023 10:30

Nuala: but why don't the female athletes put the foot down like the men have over transmen in men's boxing?

Why indeed?

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nauticant · 28/06/2023 10:28

Nuala fighting back: "British cycling has banned transwomen" and that the science is just so uncertain so what can we do?

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Chipperfish · 28/06/2023 10:26

My god, she is good - clear, informed and compassionate, and currently being given a chance to talk uninterupted.

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nauticant · 28/06/2023 10:26

Yet another comparison. The East European women athletes are paying for the doping with wrecked health now caused by an overload of the wrong hormone. Let's see how today's kids receiving cross-sex hormones are managing in a couple of decades.

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WinterTrees · 28/06/2023 10:23

I'm listening. She's being given a fabulous opportunity to speak without interruption and is setting out an absolutely barnstorming argument. She has the confidence of complete conviction.

(Now, let's see if Nuala bemoans women being unkind to vulnerable and oppressed people...)

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nauticant · 28/06/2023 10:23

She introduced her position effectively be talking about the similarity between cheats doping with testosterone and natural testosterone for males giving a significant advantage over female elite athletes.

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lieselotte · 28/06/2023 10:21

I am about halfway through her book at the moment, it is a really good read, not just on the trans issue, but also about East German doping and the lack of transparency (and sexism) of the International Olympic Committee.

Something else occurred to me about transwomen in sport today. Female records only count if they are created in female-only races. So if, in a parallel universe, I run the London marathon in a new British record-breaking time, does that not count if I was following a overseas transwoman round? Admittedly UKA has said transwomen can't compete in the female category, but the question remains for other sports.

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nauticant · 28/06/2023 10:17

Sharron's on now.

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