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Sharron Davies on Woman's Hour today (Wednesday)

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nauticant · 28/06/2023 10:03

She'll be discussing fareness in sport. Since this is the first time a post-Emma Barnett presenter (Nuala McGovern) will be looking at gender identity ideology, this could be interesting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001n8q3

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Lavenderu · 28/06/2023 15:29

I missed this! Will seek it out on catchup. I've been following Sharron Davis for years on Twitter. She started a long time ago very gently with a let's all be kind and find common ground approach. That has gradually changed and she gets horrendous abuse and takes no prisoners now.

WinterTrees · 28/06/2023 15:28

If I were IW I wouldn't want to be bringing 'what we were like as teenagers' into the conversation...

WarriorN · 28/06/2023 15:24
  • I know Emma is supposed to be 'balanced' but the "staggering penis" quote had a certain emphasis that was very hard to miss.
WarriorN · 28/06/2023 15:23

The couple of years Post birth I was exceptionally vehemently feminist - possibly as you are in such a different post baby and realise how important maternity care is. And how vulnerable women can be.

Hope Emma comes back anew blazing after all that's happened in the last year.

LozengeShaped · 28/06/2023 15:22

Yes, I was v impressed by Sharron and her expert answers. It was great that she was actually on WH.

The interviewer's job is to ask questions, and as far as I'm concerned, the harder the better. (The ridiculous quote from Emily Bridges was well chosen to peak listeners!) It was great that Nuala gave Sharron plenty of time to answer, which is where sometimes interviewers go wrong!

WarriorN · 28/06/2023 15:15

Oooh I was thinking the other day she needs to go back on!

She really impacted a GP I know who happened to hear her last time. GP had no idea who Sharron is but was livid at the tra ideas that Sharron was describing.

Beowulfa · 28/06/2023 15:10

ginandbearit · 28/06/2023 14:16

And India Willoughby sneers at Sharron calling her '2 o levels Sharron' on twitter...and India has achieved what exactly ?

To be fair, the TRAs have been working off thin gruel recently:

-Kathleen Stock sat in her chair funny
-Billy Bragg informing lesbians they're doing sex wrong

Calling women smelly poo-heads is about all there is left.

MavisMcMinty · 28/06/2023 14:55

Sharron is the same sort of age as me, and 2 O-Levels was pretty standard then, you only needed 5 to get into most jobs, including banking.

Onheretoomuch · 28/06/2023 14:42

Sharron was fantastic. So proud of her putting herself out there again and again for the futures of our girls.

SabrinaThwaite · 28/06/2023 14:31

ginandbearit · 28/06/2023 14:16

And India Willoughby sneers at Sharron calling her '2 o levels Sharron' on twitter...and India has achieved what exactly ?

At least Sharron has the excuse of being busy winning Commonwealth and Olympic medals during school exam years.

What's Willoughby's excuse?

Motorina · 28/06/2023 14:20

ginandbearit · 28/06/2023 14:16

And India Willoughby sneers at Sharron calling her '2 o levels Sharron' on twitter...and India has achieved what exactly ?

Growing a cervix and flaunting that on the telly.

Allegedly.

ginandbearit · 28/06/2023 14:16

And India Willoughby sneers at Sharron calling her '2 o levels Sharron' on twitter...and India has achieved what exactly ?

Mummyoflittledragon · 28/06/2023 13:03

Hepwo · 28/06/2023 11:52

https://translucent.org.uk/sharron-davies-unfair-play-the-battle-for-womens-sport-the-untold-facts/

Apparently we are looking at the wrong facts!

I really feel for the child in the video. It’s the adults, who are to blame in this scenario for magical thinking.

Sharron Davies is brilliant. I’ll listen later.

tootiredtobother · 28/06/2023 12:59

Sharon, I do hope you have read all these comments and know how much we value your courage and clear delivery of your message on our behalf.
thank you

maltravers · 28/06/2023 12:49

What a champion. Well played that woman!

MavisMcMinty · 28/06/2023 12:44

The longer this goes on, the fewer fucks I give. As someone once said here on MN - “If you overreach you topple”. And I think the TRAs have overreached.

MavisMcMinty · 28/06/2023 12:40

Who knew that the 'winners' in women's sports were actually just picked at random from the whole population?!

Ha ha! Indeed.

JanesLittleGirl · 28/06/2023 12:37

TheSilveryPussycat · 28/06/2023 12:02

This is an argument well-versed by many commentators who are often highly discriminatory against trans people, all of whom fail to mention that testosterone-suppressed trans women athletes have no realistic chance of winning any competition when competing with those whose testosterone levels are in the normal male range.

From that Translucent article. Explaining why Open classes are unfair to trans women. My italics.

Open classes being unfair to transwomen gets filed under 'Not my problem '. However, transwomen competing in women's classes being unfair to women is very much my problem.

I ran out of fucks a long time ago.

WinterTrees · 28/06/2023 12:35

NotHavingIt · 28/06/2023 11:49

I'm not sure we know of Nuala's personal view on the issue? but her job as a BBC presenter is to present both sides of an argument, or certainly to counter any given narrative.

Fair point, but stating that kids who use pronouns that don't match their birth sex are being excluded from school sports just isn't true.

Sharron did have the chance to set her straight, but just hearing a BBC presenter put things like that out there carries a certain amount of weight. Why give such half-baked propaganda airtime?

meowgender · 28/06/2023 12:21

Nuala was putting forward all the usual transactivist points to give Sharron the opportunity to demolish them. She was just doing her job let's not pick on her.

DameMaud · 28/06/2023 12:15

WinterTrees · 28/06/2023 11:01

I think the emotional-blackmail angle ('excluding people who are already marginalised', genocide etc) just looks a bit pathetic in the face of Sharron's wall of evidence, stats, and science. Like switching the light on to show a scared kid that the shadow on the wall is a dressing gown, not a monster hiding behind the door.

That's a great analogy Wintertrees

NotHavingIt · 28/06/2023 12:09

NotHavingIt · 28/06/2023 12:06

I wonder if those three matches have been against natal men, or other trans athletes in the male division?

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I see one of the wins was against a natal male who has boxed 8 matches professionally and won none of them. I guess promoters will only pitch Patricio against no-hope males?

SabrinaThwaite · 28/06/2023 12:06

TheSilveryPussycat · 28/06/2023 12:02

This is an argument well-versed by many commentators who are often highly discriminatory against trans people, all of whom fail to mention that testosterone-suppressed trans women athletes have no realistic chance of winning any competition when competing with those whose testosterone levels are in the normal male range.

From that Translucent article. Explaining why Open classes are unfair to trans women. My italics.

Maybe they just need to train harder then?

NotHavingIt · 28/06/2023 12:06

Hepwo · 28/06/2023 11:52

https://translucent.org.uk/sharron-davies-unfair-play-the-battle-for-womens-sport-the-untold-facts/

Apparently we are looking at the wrong facts!

I wonder if those three matches have been against natal men, or other trans athletes in the male division?

TheSilveryPussycat · 28/06/2023 12:02

This is an argument well-versed by many commentators who are often highly discriminatory against trans people, all of whom fail to mention that testosterone-suppressed trans women athletes have no realistic chance of winning any competition when competing with those whose testosterone levels are in the normal male range.

From that Translucent article. Explaining why Open classes are unfair to trans women. My italics.