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GLAAD calls on major social media platforms to *ban* the view that youth gender medicine is dangerous.

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DerekFaker · 27/06/2023 19:42

From Jesse Singal on twitter:

"1/ GLAAD has teamed up with a gaggle of celebrities to call on major social media platforms to ban the view that youth gender medicine is dangerous."

https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1673719867352948736?t=fTyjvLqF0vpYyam8j6fAQg&s=19

2/ If this policy were enacted, it would mean that users could get suspended or banned for e.g. publishing the Swedish health authority's view that "the risks of [youth gender medicine] currently outweigh the possible benefits[.]"

3/ This proposal is the natural endpoint of GLAAD's yearslong campaign to slander and bully anyone with questions about an area of medicine that, it turns out, is in dire evidentiary straits. Suppressing evidence and discussion is an awful, awful thing to do to trans youth.

4/ When I tried to reach out to GLAAD to discuss some of this stuff, I was informed "GLAAD is not a medical organization or association" and was referred to Jack Turban as a trustworthy expert.

https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1673719867352948736?s=19&t=fTyjvLqF0vpYyam8j6fAQg

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RealityFan · 28/06/2023 10:06

TheBiologyStupid · 28/06/2023 09:56

Brilliant!

I try, lol.

TheBiologyStupid · 28/06/2023 09:56

RealityFan · 28/06/2023 08:25

Ironic re Patrick Stewart. Maybe he should speak to Dennis Noel Kavanagh who coined the term Gender Borg.

Luckily in real life, Stewart doesn't get to command "Make it so".

Brilliant!

TheBiologyStupid · 28/06/2023 09:52

Clymene · 28/06/2023 05:57

Doesn't this demand contravene the First Amendment?

Mostly usual suspects on there. I'm cringing for them. I thought Patrick Stewart was an intelligent supporter of women's rights.

The First only applies to government-funded organisations, hence private colleges are exempt (although good ones should abide by it anyway).

Froodwithatowel · 28/06/2023 09:38

All that ^^

Added to the belief that people being permitted to hear other perspectives is dangerous .

An intolerable threat to believers.

Why? There's a whole doctorate in that.

Why should someone hearing a view that isn't theirs cause them to be 'unsafe' - does this mean uncomfortable? Doubting themselves? Feeling questioned or personally criticised?

Is the belief so fragile that it can only be maintained by the immersive fiction being enforced and enacted around the person at all times?

When this has become the responsibility and duty of all including strangers regarding their own beliefs, where is the morality in this? And the mental health aspects of being entirely reliant on all others providing the enactment required to cope? (causing them to 'not exist' unless others pick up their half of the script.)

Why should some have responsibility to provide this for others against their own beliefs? How can strangers be required to provide service like this where it's totally unreciprocated values and effort? To subordinate their own needs, feelings, inner life, everything, to nurturing the inner self of another? How is it going to work out, separating society into the givers and the takers?

And where have we seen this before in psychology, history, anthropology, what happens when you start comparing it to similar situations where no questioning or doubting can be permitted as too dangerous and threatening to the control of the group in power?

IvyTwines · 28/06/2023 09:32

@Igneococcus "Taika Waititi, ffs really?" Sadly not really a surprise given the Our Flag Means Death fandom. It's a pirate romcom show he produces, directs and stars in that very much appeals to the Tumblr 'Good Omens' shipping girls. Take a look at the fan art - many drawings of characters with mastectomy scars, and cosplay fan photos showing their own, one even from a hospital bed. And look up #OFMD and 'top surgery' on Twitter. The main cast has only one female actor, who in real life identifies as 'non binary' and the show was congratulated by the Guardian (of course) for referring to the character as 'they/them'. In fan art, the ship's cook performs 'top surgery' on the character and in the top tweet cartoon the cook is barbecuing their amputated breasts. The actor was reportedly so encouraged by these fandom scenarios that they have now had 'top surgery' in real life, hoping the fanfiction ship's cook storyline will be written in to the next series, as with Page in Umbrella Academy. 'Catgender' has nothing on this. And where J K Rowling saw how emotionally vulnerable some obsessive fans of her work were to this ideology, she spoke out about it, it looks like Waititi is going the Gaiman route and embracing it instead.

DysonSpheres · 28/06/2023 08:49

Motorina · 28/06/2023 07:10

If GLAAD were confident in the safety of trans youth healthcare, and had the evidence base to support that, they wouldn’t need to ban dissent.

There’s no need for Twitter to ban flat earthers because everyone with a brain can see their views are, uhhh, unorthodox.

This only comes because GLAAD knows the views of those who disagree with them have power. Otherwise, why ban them?

So Right!

I actually love to read about weird theories like Flat Earth, I don't know why. I'll read the comments passionately defending it too, ponder plausibilities and implausibilities and suspend belief for a while. It's an enjoyable way to pass the time. The- Ancient-Egyptians-were-Aliens, The-mountains-are-trees, we had ancient civilization on Mars...bring it on.

And generally you will see rational people debating people about these things because...

It is all completely bonkers. So it's totally doesn't need censoring.

The fact trans healthcare requires censoring is because you feel threatened by the debate and know the arguments against it are far from bonkers but very valid and the sunlight will come pouring in.

Fenlandia · 28/06/2023 08:46

Utter plonkers caught up in self-righteous religious fervour, as if they're qualified to control what people read and say about medical treatment for distressed kids.

RealityFan · 28/06/2023 08:25

Ironic re Patrick Stewart. Maybe he should speak to Dennis Noel Kavanagh who coined the term Gender Borg.

Luckily in real life, Stewart doesn't get to command "Make it so".

ArabeIIaScott · 28/06/2023 08:08

Yes. The death throes of 'no debate'.

I think we're well past that stage.

Motorina · 28/06/2023 07:10

If GLAAD were confident in the safety of trans youth healthcare, and had the evidence base to support that, they wouldn’t need to ban dissent.

There’s no need for Twitter to ban flat earthers because everyone with a brain can see their views are, uhhh, unorthodox.

This only comes because GLAAD knows the views of those who disagree with them have power. Otherwise, why ban them?

PorcelinaV · 28/06/2023 07:01

Note that:

"Despite the fact that every leading medical and psychological association affirms the safety and necessity of gender affirming healthcare for trans people, including youth..."

This part of the letter isn't even going to be correct for the people that signed it outside of the US.

Buffypaws · 28/06/2023 06:56

HorribleNecktie · 28/06/2023 06:51

Not to excuse Patrick Stewart but he is good friends with Ian McKellen and likely sees this as an extension of gay rights. I think McKellen is very much on the TRA side of this argument so it would make sense if he was influenced by this.

both old enough to know better

MorrisZapp · 28/06/2023 06:53

Of course they're going to sign it. It's a rainbow coloured missive from the good guys, the ones who have been fighting for gay rights since long before doing so was cool. Chuck in some buzzwords and flim flam and why wouldn't they sign it? It all sounds so kind and reasonable.

This is why force teaming is so harmful. People still think this is a gay rights issue.

HorribleNecktie · 28/06/2023 06:51

Not to excuse Patrick Stewart but he is good friends with Ian McKellen and likely sees this as an extension of gay rights. I think McKellen is very much on the TRA side of this argument so it would make sense if he was influenced by this.

DysonSpheres · 28/06/2023 06:43

Celebrity influence is waning because of crap stunts like this. I can still remember many celebrities signing the ridiculous 'Yes, we use private jets, yes we're hypocrites, but we support Extinction Rebellion' which activist group at the time were stopping ordinary working class people from getting to work and making their measley minimum wage. Signed and endorsed by people who get paid millions for one movie and contribute more in one jet fueled weekend to green house emissions than an average broke person does in months.

In this context, I don't think they can truly understand what they're signing or putting their names to, or that some people may consider them as endorsing actual evil and find them repugnant ever after. I have read some detransister stories and seen some videos, seldom have I read such despair. I find what has been done to them to be frankly sick, twisted and evil. An example of an older generation literally consuming it's young. Morally reprehensible in every way.

If you are an adult with a healthy body, endorsing the removal of healthy reproductive organs in children or adults who are vulnerable... you are enabling deep evil.

Disappointed in Patrick Stewart but he is not his character. Perhaps being in too many sci-fi movies has skewed his sense of what science in capable of when it comes to hormone and surgical gender therapies.

PorcelinaV · 28/06/2023 06:34

Clymene · 28/06/2023 06:14

Ah thank you @PorcelinaV

It's actually really chilling the amount of influence a bunch of actors, musicians and celebrities think they should have over mainstream media.

Egos the size of fucking planets

"Sign this please, it's against hate", and they do it.

But anyone on that list can now be called out I guess. They have so little concern about giving drugs or surgery to children that they think the whole debate over it should be shut down. Well they can own that and justify it.

Buffypaws · 28/06/2023 06:27

How embarrassing for them

Delphinium20 · 28/06/2023 06:20

I'm not surprised they are getting nervous. NYTimes has posted on the past week some basic reporting on laws re: various trans issues and the comments (left wing readership) are overwhelmingly against the gender woo for kids. When people have the facts, the vast majority are opposed to sterilizing kids based on stereotypes.

Clymene · 28/06/2023 06:14

Ah thank you @PorcelinaV

It's actually really chilling the amount of influence a bunch of actors, musicians and celebrities think they should have over mainstream media.

Egos the size of fucking planets

PorcelinaV · 28/06/2023 06:12

Clymene · 28/06/2023 05:57

Doesn't this demand contravene the First Amendment?

Mostly usual suspects on there. I'm cringing for them. I thought Patrick Stewart was an intelligent supporter of women's rights.

I doubt it strictly violates the First Amendment because it's not calling for government censorship but only censorship by private companies.

However, I still think it's a major free speech issue if all the main platforms are censoring people for LGBT wrongthink.

Igneococcus · 28/06/2023 06:11

Taika Waititi, ffs really?

Clymene · 28/06/2023 05:57

Doesn't this demand contravene the First Amendment?

Mostly usual suspects on there. I'm cringing for them. I thought Patrick Stewart was an intelligent supporter of women's rights.

PorcelinaV · 28/06/2023 03:55

Well they are against censorship for themselves:

"You must urgently take action to protect trans and LGBTQ users on your platforms (including protecting us from over-enforcement and censorship)."

TheDinosaurDuchess · 28/06/2023 02:07

This comment probably wont last long. But the vino is talking.

The way I see it, we have now reached Darwinian Theory.

If people want to run around, sterilising themselves, chopping bits off themselves so be it. They seem happy to do so and living their best lives. Good for them.

But they are basically performing some sort of self inflicted "eugenics". Give it a generation or two and this too shall pass.

DemiColon · 28/06/2023 01:41

ArabeIIaScott · 27/06/2023 21:30

Yes, I had vaguely thought he was sensible. Maybe it's some other Patrick Stewart.

Try watching Picard. He has totally drunk the koolaid.

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