Disney went woke now they're going broke

For me, it depends very much on what it is. Like the Dungeons and Dragons movie - very varied cast in terms of skin colours, sexualities, and roles people take. Don't care one bit - great movie and it makes sense in that setting which is not a medieval nor Earth equivalent world

Dungeons and Dragons is a rare example of a really fantastic film in last few years that we've seen in cinema.

Guardians 3 is much better than Guardians 2. That is a hill I will die on.

She still does have red hair.

Did you mean Ariel is a little WHITE girl in your mind and your imagination refuses to accommodate anything diverging from that?

Someone mentioned Peter Pan. Critical Drinker had a short commentary on it and had some things to say about how Wendy is treated differently in the modern one. It touches on some of the difference between "Woke" and simply having different people in roles.

For me, it depends very much on what it is. Like the Dungeons and Dragons movie - very varied cast in terms of skin colours, sexualities, and roles people take. Don't care one bit - great movie and it makes sense in that setting which is not a medieval nor Earth equivalent world. And I think most felt the same. Contrast with the Lord of the Rings TV series where men are sidelined or evil, Galadriel is vastly better than everybody else and you get Black elves suddenly which doesn't really make much sense. When the same person is fine the former but not with the latter then dismissing something as racism or sexism is clearly too simplistic.

I guess a mermaid could be any color? I mean, they're not actually real creatures.

https://ourtimepress.com/discovering-the-myth-and-folklore-of-black-mermaids/

There are many folk tales of Black mermaids going back centuries - I have seen some suggestions it would have been better to do some of those less well known myths and stories rather than re-work Hans Christian Anderson’s Danish tale but Hollywood is ultra conservative at the minute wanting built in audiences so it's remakes and book/computer game adaptations or franchises.

It's more likely that people are growing tired of remakes in general.

It's not brilliant but it isn't a loss, and the actual box office receipts show that people weren't staying away because it was 'woke'. So even if it isn't a brilliant return it does totally contradict the OP and the rather misleading article headline. Daily Wail headline, misleading? Surely not.

I guess a mermaid could be any color? I mean, they're not actually real creatures.

Not "woke," exactly, but I do think that cinema has become less interesting in the last decade or so. Very derivative, too many remakes, too many live action versions of things (yawn)...

What's wrong with having gay people and black people in movies, OP?

What's this got to do with feminism?

I don't get your point. It seems like alt right culture war bullshit.

lesbian couple in LightYear - that seemed perfectly normal to me but film was dull and I think there was some issue with actor Tim Allen being dropped - and some speculation it was his politics.

There was some issue with Mandalorian actress being dropped though I think her comments were bad - it did get repackaged as issues with her being on the political right.

Then there rows with Ron DeSantis.

Given how toxic US politics is at the minute - perhaps they should have foreseen this being more of an issue for them and headed it off a bit better.

er yeahh because we all hate women and black people and gay people don’t we 🙄 hilarious

more likely people can’t afford to see films anymore

Yes I can do basic maths. It was to put the £500 million box office receipts in context. 25% return over four years is hardly brilliant, especially when it was a remake so no outlay of scripts etc.

I don't understand the remake of the little mermaid - in my mind Arial is a red headed girl

why not make a new disney princess rather than just change the race of a current story, surely that is more racist?

Disney+ is bleeding money but I'm not sure it's woke messaging per se more the bad writing that seems to so frequently accompanying it and if audiences doesn't turn up attacking the fan base as toxic.

I don't think it's a Disney specific issue either but it's an issue for fair bit of Disney+ content and their films and then tack on wider issues such as fewer cinema goers and declining streaming audiences - seems a bad time to step into toxic US political debates and risk alienating some of your audience even further.

Totally agree. And Ron DeSantis is a tool, even though I agree with him on some women's rights issues (while totally disagreeing on others, notably abortion). The whole war on Disney is idiotic grand-standing.

This dictionary? https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Woke

WOKE

When this term became popularized, initially the meaning of this term was when an individual become more aware of the social injustice. Or basically, any current affairs related like biased, discrimination, or double-standards.

However, as time passed by, people started using this term recklessly, assigning this term to themselves or someone they know to boost their confidence and reassure them that they have the moral high grounds and are fighting for the better world. And sometimes even using it as a way to protect themselves from other people's opinion, by considering the 'outsider' as non-woke. While people that are in line with their belief as woke. Meaning that those 'outsiders' have been brainwash by the society and couldn't see the truth. Thus, filtering everything that the 'outsider' gives regardless whether it is rationale or not.

And as of now, the original meaning is slowly fading and instead, is used more often to term someone as hypocritical and think they are the 'enlightened' despite the fact that they are extremely close-minded and are unable to accept other people's criticism or different perspective. Especially considering the existence of echo chamber(media) that helped them to find other like-minded individuals, thus, further solidifying their 'progressive' opinion.

When Disney insist on stamping all over everything to hammer a message down childrens throats that parents have zero interest in them having to hear, they will lose money.

Have you seen their stupid woke version of Peter Pan?
The Lost Boys aren't even allowed to be the Lost Boys any longer, they have to have some girls there too (completely missing the point in the original book that girls aren't that dumb).
Wendy has been turned into a cardboard cut out 'girl who doesn't need a man to save her' like EVERY OTHER bloody female character lately as if there is only one type of female allowed in films.

I honestly couldn't care less if the ethnicity of the Little Mermaid is changed, but they also changed her into a flat, lifeless character, added some crap woke songs & I found the CG sea creatures fairly repulsive.

I don't even bother considering an offering from Disney any more.
Everything they touch turns to shit nowadays.

250 + 150 = 400
400 is 100 less than 500
100 million profit after production and marketing, before toy sales, is not a loss. So I'm not sure what your point is.

I don't normally defend Disney, but casting a Black woman in the Little Mermaid role and having a lesbian couple in LightYear should not be regarded as 'out there' choices.

I see you've namechanged again.

Good to know you think non-white actors and gay relationships are problematic too.

Light-year was as dull as dishwater. The live remakes are not my thing. Disney has lost what made it special.

I'm not sure it is just down to 'wokeness' , but the cinema is expensive so numbers overall must have dropped surely.

Little Mermaid also cost around £250million to make and £150 million for marketing.

I totally agree. The word has been weaponised and the meaning mocked. The dictionary definition is clear.