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ModestMoon · 27/06/2023 09:43

Moopsi · 27/06/2023 09:42

Even five years ago if you read about men literally believing they are women and society agreeing that they should be entitled to encroach on women's rape centres, hospital wards, toilets, changing facilities, naked spas etc (even convicted sex offenders) you might think it was made up or exaggerated. And people being fired from their jobs for refusing to call a boy a girl or for believing in biology. Women being investigated by the police for saying that men aren't women. All of this stuff seems unbelievable when you first hear about it but here we are. Living in a world of the Emperor's New Clothes where people are in fear of targeted violence for refusing to believe in a magical ideology.

Some of you need to read 1984.

1984, the book all about how the media purposefully distorts reality to manipulate the public?

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 09:43

ModestMoon · 27/06/2023 09:34

I agree with @Flickersy . Of course this would be absurd. This is exactly why the newspapers are making up these stories, to make "the left" look deranged and absurd.

This is just an example, but I have seen so many headlines talking about "furries" in connection to this issue. Any journalist who had bothered to do even a 5 second google would know that furries do not identify as literal animals. Furries are exclusively into anthropomorphised animals, typically cartoon-style. These journalists are not lazy, they're getting a rise out of us on purpose, by feeding us falsehoods.

OP, you asked me why we should take trans kids seriously, but not cat kids. I actually think that both the left and the right have massively failed trans kids by taking them too seriously. I do not think that they should be operated on. Perhaps if we had all been less quick to jump on news reports and getting outraged over boys wearing dresses even though they're not literally girls, there wouldn't be so many operations on kids today.

@ModestMoon I agree with you here too.. Trans kids were & are massively failed on all levels. But of course that's going to happen when it's a multi billion pound industry globally..
The cat child will be pandered to because there is no money to be made so it's fine "they will grow out of it"..
Trans kids aren't given that opportunity to grow out of it & change identify again. Once they are captured they are medicated, mutilated & castrated. Why has this been allowed happen to them?

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Moopsi · 27/06/2023 09:42

Even five years ago if you read about men literally believing they are women and society agreeing that they should be entitled to encroach on women's rape centres, hospital wards, toilets, changing facilities, naked spas etc (even convicted sex offenders) you might think it was made up or exaggerated. And people being fired from their jobs for refusing to call a boy a girl or for believing in biology. Women being investigated by the police for saying that men aren't women. All of this stuff seems unbelievable when you first hear about it but here we are. Living in a world of the Emperor's New Clothes where people are in fear of targeted violence for refusing to believe in a magical ideology.

Some of you need to read 1984.

whereaw · 27/06/2023 09:42

But I don't get why trans kids are not just as absurd as trans cats? You cannot change the body you are born into because our sex is fundamentally part of us right down to a cellular level?

@Flickersy how do you know for certain it's all lies and no children at all are identifying as cats or other non-human beings?

ModestMoon · 27/06/2023 09:38

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 09:29

@Flickersy I'm unaware of it happening but who knows what the furture holds. Science is evolving so quickly & with A.I anything is possible..

I'm sorry... what? You think that artifical intelligence is going to... transform kids into animals? There is absolutely 0 evidence for this. We shouldn't be getting outraged about hypothetical future possibilities anymore than we should be getting outraged by sci-fi.

Just to re-iterate @Flickersy 's point: of course it matters if this stuff is really happening, and it matters a great deal if national newspapers are purposefully duping us for their own gains.

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 09:38

@Flickersy I know but it was too good not to share. An original identity too!

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Flickersy · 27/06/2023 09:36

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 09:31

The key difference here, which you have failed to grasp, is that this is an adult and he chose to do it to himself.

ModestMoon · 27/06/2023 09:34

whereaw · 27/06/2023 09:09

@Flickersy @ModestMoon so do you both agree then that to LITERALLY identify as something you are not would be absurd?

I agree with @Flickersy . Of course this would be absurd. This is exactly why the newspapers are making up these stories, to make "the left" look deranged and absurd.

This is just an example, but I have seen so many headlines talking about "furries" in connection to this issue. Any journalist who had bothered to do even a 5 second google would know that furries do not identify as literal animals. Furries are exclusively into anthropomorphised animals, typically cartoon-style. These journalists are not lazy, they're getting a rise out of us on purpose, by feeding us falsehoods.

OP, you asked me why we should take trans kids seriously, but not cat kids. I actually think that both the left and the right have massively failed trans kids by taking them too seriously. I do not think that they should be operated on. Perhaps if we had all been less quick to jump on news reports and getting outraged over boys wearing dresses even though they're not literally girls, there wouldn't be so many operations on kids today.

Kevinscousin · 27/06/2023 09:34

This sounds like absolute nonsense clickbait.🤣

risefromyourgrave · 27/06/2023 09:32

Flickersy · 27/06/2023 09:23

So "children pretending to be animals" = "abuse of children" now?

I actually think that yes, if you are saying to your child ‘yes darling, you are a cat and I shall treat you in any way that you would like your catself to be treated’ then that is child abuse.
Our job as parents is to raise our children and help them prepare for the real world. If we pander to their every whim then what the hell do they do when they go on to the streets and realise that not everyone agrees that they are a cat? Not to mention the effect on their mental health.

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Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 09:29

@Flickersy I'm unaware of it happening but who knows what the furture holds. Science is evolving so quickly & with A.I anything is possible..

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Flickersy · 27/06/2023 09:29

whereaw · 27/06/2023 09:25

@Flickersy I'm glad you agree. But also, I don't think it matters if it's unsubstantiated or even true at all - like I said it's a real life thought experiment. If you question the validity of this, it brings the wider debate of 'trans women are women' into question.

I'm sorry, you don't think it matters if the national media are publishing lies and the public are falling for them hook line and sinker? Really?

Flickersy · 27/06/2023 09:27

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 09:25

Well yes it will be if they start operating on them & giving them medication to make them transition to what animal they identify as.

If you can find anyone operating on children to make them into the animal they identify as I will admit you have a point.

Until then, all you have is hyperbole.

Moopsi · 27/06/2023 09:27

TRAs have a motive for wanting people to believe this is all made up and "manufactured outrage". It's another form of #nodebate. When you juxtapose identifying as the opposite sex with identifying as an animal it brings up uncomfortable truths about magical thinking and the inherent logical fallacy of gender ideology.

It's not that long ago that we wouldn't be allowed to discuss this on an open forum. The era of #nodebate is finished.

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 09:25

Flickersy · 27/06/2023 09:23

So "children pretending to be animals" = "abuse of children" now?

Well yes it will be if they start operating on them & giving them medication to make them transition to what animal they identify as.

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whereaw · 27/06/2023 09:25

@Flickersy I'm glad you agree. But also, I don't think it matters if it's unsubstantiated or even true at all - like I said it's a real life thought experiment. If you question the validity of this, it brings the wider debate of 'trans women are women' into question.

SunnyEgg · 27/06/2023 09:24

It’s up there with ‘moral panic’ and ‘culture wars’ even though they started the latter

Adults upset the stack of lies is coming down

And they can’t carry on indoctrinating younger people

Flickersy · 27/06/2023 09:23

dimorphism · 27/06/2023 09:22

"manufactured outrage" = women saying 'no' to abuse of children.

We see you.

So "children pretending to be animals" = "abuse of children" now?

dimorphism · 27/06/2023 09:22

"manufactured outrage" = women saying 'no' to abuse of children.

We see you.

Moopsi · 27/06/2023 09:20

"Manufactured outrage" is what the leftwing papers said about WiSpa. And we all know how that turned out.

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 09:19

@FedgeHund this is so frightening..

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FedgeHund · 27/06/2023 09:17

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Flickersy · 27/06/2023 09:16

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 09:13

@Flickersy what is the difference between a girl identifying as a boy or as a girl identifying as a cat?

Well one identifies as a boy and the other as a cat. Seems a fairly simple question but happy to help.

SunnyEgg · 27/06/2023 09:15

Flickersy · 27/06/2023 09:06

Away with your critical thinking and reasoning, this isn't a thread for that /s.

I agree though, it's manufactured outrage. An entire range of mountains out of a molehill.

It’s not really that critical when it comes to thinking.

The coercion in the recording was more the issue but the girls did a great job at exposing it.