Christine and the Queens - at Glastonbury

I don't think how an artist presents on stage or in the recording studio is particularly my business. I didn't see the performance but experimenting with different personas, and using your art to explore loss and grief and trauma sounds like a perfectly valid thing to do.

What I'm not clear about is what's happening when Letissier leaves the stage. Where, as an example, have the 'he' and 'they' pronouns come from? Has Letissier requested that we use them them or is that just an assumption made by the self-styled liberal media?

I don't remember Bowie ever insisting on being addressed as 'Ziggy' or 'Duke'. It was an act and we all knew it. If we're being expected to treat performance art as real life then that's a different matter entirely and yes, it affects us, of course it does.

She started off incredibly promising and quickly plummeted the depths of self absorbed navel gazing. So disappointing

Art innit?

@RealityFan

eight times Tory voter

Sorry you lost me. Right there. Bye.

How does the death of her mother reflect that she now likes to called after a NE town?

I understand the red car inspiration on the death of her mother, but don't see why she isn't calling herself red car (2 separate words) or voiture rouge as she is (and presumably her mother was also) French?

BTW I like Christine and the Queens and think she has a great voice, I just don't get the NE town thing 😂

Hey, I'm a Boomer and eight times Tory voter, proudly GC. They don't get my vote next year unless something miraculous happens.

My definition of miracle is: following the EHRC recommended advice on sex > gender, and locked down policy to schools as per the Miriam Cates advice on gender ID.

If you really want an 😯 moment watch Flea at Woodstock 😁 Now, interestingly, if he had gone on stage in that ‘attire’ and declared himself a woman who would have genuinely gone along with it?

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻Fab post and so much more eloquent than my own.

But when a woman changes gender , dances topless on stage as a man ,

She's a woman, her performance is that of a woman.

@baggiesmalls

I don't particularly want to see anyone's nipples at a music event . Male or female .

I saw a dreadful picture of Iggy Pop once. Now that was something you wouldn't want to look at.

So when a man changes gender to become a woman this board generally disapproves and wants to keep sex segregated spaces (rightly in my opinion)

But when a woman changes gender , dances topless on stage as a man , but with breasts , it's completely different?

I aren't interested in her sexuality or gender - I enjoy listening to her music .

I don't particularly want to see anyone's nipples at a music event . Male or female .

She has a beautiful voice and I wonder whether she is holding off from taking hormones because that would alter its sound forever. But if she’s resisting hormones and surgery for the reasons she says I hope any young fans of hers who have been considering permanent changes to their bodies are taking note.

So don't read it then or watch it. What they do doesn't affect you.

I enjoyed her performance but it's all getting far too confusing.

She was pansexual.

She was in a relationship with a woman who is now a man
And now she's a man in a relationship with that man who
Was a woman

So is she now a gay man ?

A straight man because his partner was a woman ?
A gay woman ?

It's all just hurts my head . I'd defend anyone's right to love or be in a relationship with whoever they like but can't we just stop with all this bloody nonsense.

I've seen Héloïse on Jools Holland a few times now and I love her performances; much to the amusement of my DH as I'm pretty dismissive of most modern music.
So pleased she's still working out what she wants regarding the "trans" part of her life.
Didn't see any of Glasto so will seek her performance out.

@RealityFan

Gen Z plus frustrated Gen X and Millennials will ensure a three term Labour govt

Don't forget boomers like me. A three-term Labour government would be brilliant.

and while we're on the subject of Redcar, why not Red car? or voiture rouge as she's french?

I believe it's connected to the death of her mother which has affected her profoundly and inspired the most recent work. In interviews Chris doesn't seem to be in the best mental health.

Interested to read your take, OP. That certainly adds to the mystique and otherworldliness of the act.

She says she has differnt names for differnt layers of herself - which seems valid - even if a little fragmented as a personality. (sic)

I work in a creative industry and even by the standards of some of the guff I've heard over the years this sounds wanky 😂

and while we're on the subject of Redcar, why not Red car? or voiture rouge as she's french?

I wondered the same - not the Bowie analogy, though it's a good one, but that they might go full circle and return to identifying as a very powerful woman in time. Because they are such a consummate performer and so willing to fully explore what identity means to them without conforming to any pressure or stereotype from any source. I think they are one of the best performers of this generation and will be seen as such. I have a hunch they will come to embrace their female power at some point, and exploring masculinity is part of that process.

@RealityFan , your post about Gen Z feminism was brilliantly clear - thanks.

OP, I get your position. This is a really talented and interesting artist. I hope she snaps out of the pretending to be a man phase as it does women no favours. But I still love her music.

Yes I caught a bit of her performance and interestingly when asked, my DH reassured me that she was a genuine biological woman. It is shocking that we have to wonder and double check these days.