Wes Streeting says Tories weaponising trans issues to win votes and score cheap headlines

Labour's current team are pretty good at politics too - just ask Boris Johnson.

Wes's comment is calculated and it's working, if the comments here are anything to go by.

Political parties are broad groupings of differnt people. They are not a monolithic entity except to tribal mind-sets.

Theer are quite a number of Tories who clearly do care about the issue and what's more they understand it, and have articulated it - which is more than can be said for the opposition benches.

@SunnyEgg I think you're right. Labour are stuck on this - if they back track, all the TRA's will shout back at them and all the statements by Nandy, Lammy, Streeting etc and Starmer himself about TWAW and men in womens prisons etc will look unwise

It’s also an avoidance tactic for him personally, so he doesn’t have to fulfil the responsibilities of an elected representative and engage honestly, openly and coherently with those questions

Labour are expending more energy on complaining and trying to look the victim and building diversion tactics than actually just an answering basic questions. They could be straight up and respond.

They must be stuck

He's not wrong is he. As if The Tories have ever given a fuck about women. Surely everyone can see this.

He's right. The Tories were proposing selfID, they're pathetically shaming their own policy. Streeting will likely be Health Secretary soon, and he's got some sense on this issue.

He’s using “cynical” and “culture war” to remind voters about other topics, and the media narrative associated with them, such as Brexit and immigration.

It’s similar to when certain posters arrive on here and start with “far right”, “fascist” and “racist” accusations. It’s basically a ‘don’t listen to those dreadful people’ pitch.

Its purpose is to distract people from engaging with the actual questions that need to be addressed such as whether women have the right to single sex, female-only spaces with no males in them whatever their identity, and why breast amputation surgery for teenage girls / healthy women under 25 is a procedure which is now being performed.

It’s also an avoidance tactic for him personally, so he doesn’t have to fulfil the responsibilities of an elected representative and engage honestly, openly and coherently with those questions. He’s pushing this “they are only having this discussion because they are acting in bad faith” line, so that he can portray himself as nobly above the fray when persistently refusing to answer questions about it.

Someone else has mentioned Labour HQ not publicly supporting the strikes. It’s interesting to note that Streeting doesn’t appear to have concerns that deploying this line of argument might cause him any career discomfort with HQ. I wonder if he’d be equally comfortable initiating a media debate about the Tories’ v Labour’s position on the strikes?

He is right about the electoral aspect though - Conservatives for Women wouldn’t have been able to make such headway on this issue within the Tory party, as demonstrated in the number of well informed Tory MPs at the 12th June debate, if they hadn’t been able to demonstrate that it’s more of a vote winner than a vote loser.

Well if they are then he has taken the bait

Wes "Witchfinder" Streeting can fuck right off!!

And take Angela Rayner, Emily Thornberry, Lisa Nandy, Angela Eagle, Lloyd Russell-Moyle, David Lammy and all the other smarmy, careerist, champagne sell-out socialists, too many to mention, with him.

None of them give a toss about the women and children who will suffer as a result of their ludicrous, misogynistic, reality-denying fantasies.

I see that Labour's candidates in the upcoming by-elections are all white males.

What the fuck are labour up to, they should be able to walk the next election with their eyes closed given how awful the tories have been, but they keep digging in to stuff they know is divisive. They also don't back the strikes which I found surprising for Labour. I'd never vote tory but who is there to vote for?!

Kemi has been useful on the Ofsted interjection

And I reckon she’s caused the delay on the guidelines for schools.

Whether she can get her way we’ll see. But I don’t see many doing the same so I’ll pay attention to those who are.

Plus Labour we’re far more TWAW at debate

I’m for letting MPs know they are going in right direction, what else can be done

All this they don’t care is silly, Labour TWAW care similarly on their opposite stance.

Labour are so shit deep in poor us they keep picking on us they are lost.

As for pp claims no one cares on Tories side they should listen to the WH debate and check out what Badenoch and Cates are saying

Great. What are they actually doing though?

Yep.

Interesting that some unions finally seem to have spotted there may be a problem.

I must say though, that the child who identifies as a fox is doing a remarkably good job. If I didn’t know better, I’d say they actually were a fox. Just goes to show, you can’t always tell when someone has transitioned.

Well he’s not wrong, that’s exactly what the Tories are doing. If anyone thinks they’re taking this line out of a genuine concern for women and girls, more fool them.

But conversely, if anyone thinks Labour are taking this line out of a genuine concern for "young LGBT+ people" and "trans people", more fool them.

Regardless, the Conservatives are right, and labour are wrong, regardless of motivation.

Just asserting that everyone is arguing their positions in bad faith is not productive.

Agree the whinging is ridiculous. They could just answer

As for pp claims no one cares on Tories side they should listen to the WH debate and check out what Badenoch and Cates are saying

Labour are so shit on this and interestingly they know it.

But there are other things going on so they’re hoping they won’t have to cough up with any actual honesty.

Perhaps Wes doesn't want the Facebook group to surface but to a much wider audience?

Would be good if Tish checked out Edgerton. Here's some of her recent work:

gendercriticalwoman.blog/2023/06/22/angela-eagle-mp/

Kemi Badenoch and Miriam Cates - among others - certainly take the issue seriously and are working hard to bring parliamentary light to the issue. All parties have members with a wide rage of views on the matter but as No Debate - the stonewall approach - is being dismantled, the Tories are pulling behind the issue more than the others. Many are genuine , some see an opportunity- I don’t really care as long as it gets womens rights back in the political table

Well he’s not wrong, that’s exactly what the Tories are doing. If anyone thinks they’re taking this line out of a genuine concern for women and girls, more fool them.

It was mentioned on The Rest Is Politics recently that some senior Tory had remarked that trans and woke culture war stuff was all they have left to fight on for the next election. If they hadn’t so thoroughly fucked up everything to the point of complete non-credibility, they wouldn’t give two shits about “woke”.

It’s a Hail Mary, and likely to fail now that Sturgeon has shown Labour what logically lies at the end of the trans rights path. Starmer won’t touch it with a barge pole.

Given that no one in Labour seems to be able to answer what a woman is without resorting to circular definitions which many women find insulting, I would reckon thats the issue they should be focusing on rather than whinging about the Tories.

If it was a culture war that Labour was winning, they would be only too delighted to participate.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1782339/labour-nhs-private-health-hedge-fund-manager

Egerton Capital holds shares worth £34million in UnitedHealth Group Inc, the largest healthcare insurance company in the US

I wonder if they are involved with puberty blockers?

Then when you lose on election day you can at least gaze nobly into the middle distance and sigh "but we won the moral argument" before retiring to one's allotment with lots of £££ from litery and healthcare deals, whilst parents tear up knowing their children can't enjoy a sunset or music because of people like Wes.

Durrr everyone knows the correct thing to do in politics is to cling rigidly to your original course come what may, treat those who may disagree with disdain and then destroy each other through infighting/purity spirals. Then when you lose on election day you can at least gaze nobly into the middle distance and sigh "but we won the moral argument" before retiring to one's allotment a true martyr.

Its almost as if the Tories set out win elections. Ridiculous.

I understand that the unions - including Angela's staff were hammering on Windows at Labour conference when women spoke.

I understand unions helped Debbie Hayton set up teachers and won't defend GC women.

interesting rewrite of history by the unions and on the same day - Wes is telling people that he is furious.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12232799/Teachers-fear-disciplinary-action-self-identity-pupil-tells-school-Im-fox.html

So Wes is furious that women and children are being safeguarded, that Labour are losing votes as a result. Wes is upset that the public isn't keen on Queer theory.

Why should I, any parent or female care that Wes is upset that his ability to harm us is slipping away?

Wes along with Angela was in a Labour Facebook group collating information about women trying to safeguard. I recall Lloyd had published figures at one stage and they had the names of Women that amounted to half a Terf per CLP.