Parents kept in the dark by teachers about their 16 year old daughter’s medical transition

https://twitter.com/patricej36/status/1672886954168393729?cxt=HHwWgoC9ycn0pLcuAAAA

We have had this in the UK also. This is what's happening in hate speech, self ID utopia.

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No mother produced by a surrogate. I can see where this is going.

Random professionals removing parental responsibility and adding themselves as parents without court orders and not being sent to prison.

You're only looking at this from your personal perspective. Numerous schools have similar guidance that places boundaries on what medication is allowed in schools. It's not infantalising 6th formers, it's protecting all children. Just as the brilliant parents in the article are trying to protect their own child.

"Also this child was estranged from their parents and children's services were involved- could you be sure they (the parents) were acting in their child's best interests".

And here again we have the activist's trope about vulnerable children being estranged from their parents who were likely not acting in their child's best interests. It's depressing to repeatedly see such ignorance about the dreadful impact this has on children. All the evidence shows that children in do terribly in terms of achievement and future life chances. Glibly suggesting that these parents are not acting in the interests of their vulnerable daughter is shameful.

Who do they think they are?

This used to be called a criminal offence, fabricated induced illness, and a disabled hate crime. Alas sacred castes don't get prosecuted, so like rape it has become legal.

Some suggest that they are Gnostics.

Jordan Peterson suggests that the women often with no children of their own become the devouring mother / Grim tales stepmother, devouring others children. This fits Layla Moran types.

There was also research that also fits Layla Moran, a domestic abuser who finds within the household isn't enough and they take it out to the public. I think prevent and a feminist came up with that research.

I think this would be a very good development. Far too many people don’t understand Gillick when PBs and wrong sex hormones are discussed.

Even for sixth formers ? I think that is infantalisation personally and what a waste of student services' time handing out over the counter medicines to 16-18 year olds.

I agree. It's a unique situation. If specific guidelines (Fraser) can be developed separately to Gillick for a specific issue like contraception, then it can be done for gender dysphoria.

It would also be a step forward if there was a diagnosis called gender dysphoria by social contagion. With different treatment.

It should not be legal for any doctor to prescribe powerful drugs which are designed to cosmetically alter the body, but which also result in infertility and loss of sexual function, to anyone under the age of 18. There should be an absolute ban on medically altering a child's body in this way.

Dd carries paracetamol in her bag with the school's knowledge and consent, she is 16.

I'm surprised that's allowed. At my school children can get paracetamol from student services if their parent has signed the form at the start of the year. But we don't allow any child to carry restricted items on school property (to prevent them giving it to someone whose parents haven't consented).

We require parental consent for paracetamol because schools are not doctors. Nobody there is competent to assess whether a child is capable of making that decision.

The poster has repeatedly assumed facts not in evidence while challenging others to provide evidence.

We need to be really careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. A school should not be telling parents if a child is taking medication prescribed by a doctor. It is the doctor's responsibility to ensure the child is competent to make the decision. There are a myriad of unintended consequences if we insist schools step in to tell parents.

We need to get a grip of activist doctors though. Are there no checks and balances in case of a doctor going rogue? Or is it a case of waiting til someone is harmed and willing enough to sue them? That could take ages. Seems bizarre that one person could just completely ignore guidance and cause untold damage for years.

I cannot believe the stupidity of comparing paracetemol with cross-sex hormones.

On the other hand, given the level of stupidity of the poster's other posts, I do believe it.

Where did you get the idea the child was estranged from her parents? Did you even read the article?

And both 'cross-sex hormones' and testosterone are mentioned. Why do you think this girl was only given hormone blockers?

Please provide evidence for your assertion.

It's a newspaper article not a peer-reviewed article in an academic journal.

Not.

Exactly. You don't know.

Do you have evidence for this? Please share. After all, you wanted someone else to provide evidence for their assertion so it's only right that you do, too.

Teachers seem to be going way beyond their remit and seriously meddling in their students lives. Who told them they could? They aren’t qualified to make diagnosis nor recommend any medical/psychological treatments. God complex.

The situation escalated shortly before her 16th birthday. The school told the couple that it was referring the teenager to social services and a social worker turned up at the family home.

Indicates she was under 16 when decisions were made.

Apparently it's Fraser guidelines that relate specifically to contraception. And Gillick which refers to non sexual health medical issues.

She was under sixteen when social services were called, which appears to be after the beginning of treatment, so Gillick would apply.

From the explanation above:

It was determined that children under 16 can consent if they have sufficient understanding and intelligence to fully understand what is involved in a proposed treatment, including its purpose, nature, likely effects and risks, chances of success and the availability of other options.

No way she got that from an online gp. Or arguably (Kira Bell) at all, from anyone. (Kira Bell)

The teenager had been given advice on gender identity by a local youth project that works closely with the local council and has provided classes for children in schools across the region, including at hers.

Everyone on here knows vulnerable children are being deliberately targeted. Who was this? What did they say?

The government school guidelines aren't enough. The issue of Gillick competency needs readdressing. If, as I recall, the responsibility lies with the doctor prescribing, dodgy online doctors won't give a fuck until they're sued. And we all know how hard that will be.

What a mess.

It has been brought up in court though. The judges in the Keira Bell ruling said in order for a child to be able to consent a child would have to understand the following:

i) the immediate consequences of the treatment in physical and psychological terms;
(ii) the fact that the vast majority of patients taking puberty blocking drugs proceed to taking cross-sex hormones and are, therefore, a pathway to much greater medical interventions;
(iii) the relationship between taking cross-sex hormones and subsequent surgery, with the implications of such surgery;
(iv) the fact that cross-sex hormones may well lead to a loss of fertility;
(v) the impact of cross-sex hormones on sexual function;
(vi) the impact that taking this step on this treatment pathway may have on future and life-long relationships;
(vii) the unknown physical consequences of taking puberty blocking drugs; and
(viii) the fact that the evidence base for this treatment is as yet highly uncertain

No child can understand all of these.

Goldencup, why are you twisting the story? It doesn't mention blockers or an online GP. Please sop muddying the waters by introducing your assumptions.

I live in a city in the south east. I wonder if it's the same as the family in the story as the schools are captured, and there is a GP locally who is known to TRAs and feminists for prescribing cross sex hormones to teenagers, pretty much no-questions-asked. And yes, I mean hormones, not blockers.

I expect someone will sue him at some point, but until that time, he's causing untold damage.

Then again, maybe we're not in the same city as there are many captured schools, and, as has been mentioned upthread, he's not the only one.

Did you know that Helen Webberly is free to practice in the UK again? The GMC wanted her struck off but they lost their case.

Also, some ex GIDS clinicians are setting up their own private practice to enable them to keep prescribing the medical pathway to kids?

The Cass Report is much needed, but it only goes so far.

Maybe, maybe not. It hasn't been tested. As I said I suspect they were 16 when the meds were prescribed. But we don't know.

I am obviously not advocating for removing the ability fir young people to consent. I'm.saying that in this particular field where adults even appear unaware of what they are consenting to or explaining to patients. How a 16 year old could be deemed able to consent. Even the drs dont appear to know what will happen. They even seem.surprised half the time.