Parents kept in the dark by teachers about their 16 year old daughter’s medical transition

Appalling.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12202901/Midwest-teachers-trade-tips-subversively-quietly-transitioning-kids-without-telling-parents.html

You absolutely don’t need blockers for FTM transition. Androgenic-anabolic steroids easily ‘override’ natural oestrogen.

Of course those two things aren't equivalent, but social transition is not a neutral act, as per Cass. You don't just wake up one day and go straight to hormones, it's a path that starts with names, pronouns etc etc. Telling Brenda that you agree she is actually Bob reinforces to Brenda that she is Bob, that being Bob is her true self and is socially acceptable and indeed desirable. And makes going back to being Brenda (who of course she hasn't actually stopped being in reality), much more difficult. It's a step along the path.

To repeat my earlier post, there is a GP (yes, a real GP) in my local city who is happy to prescribe hormones to teenagers who want them.

I wonder if it's the same one (I'm in the South East) or if there are a few of them.

Also, Helen Webberly is allowed to practice again.

Calling anyone by their preffered name cannot be likened to coercing them to take prescription medicine - that is quite a leap.

That's a wise post candalf. Teachers and social workers seem to be particularly vulnerable to this group think prioritising "be kind" while determinedly ignoring evidence / data that suggests transitioning is catastrophic for most children - psychologically and physically.

I'm always reminded of the warnings in the judgement from Mr Justice Hayden where he castigated social workers and others for ignoring serious emotional abuse by a parent because they were in thrall to trans ideology (as well as being influenced by the paedophile scandal hit Mermaids charity):

https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2016/2430.html

I doubt very much they were prescribed by a real doctor. Possibly an online prescribing service or more likely just bought online without a prescription or from a bloke in the gym. "Cross sex hormones" used for masculinisation are nothing more than bog standard anabolic/androgenic steroids, abused by literally hundreds of thousands of people in the UK already. Even Superdrug sell them - you just have to fill in a form reviewed which is reviewed by their "doctor" and they'll happily send you testogel.

Sorry, I don't understand your point? The teachers didn't "do nothing" in this case. They actively went against the directions of the parents and the head, then concealed that from them. That's not "doing nothing".

It is trivially easy to buy testogel, and injectables like anadrol and deca without a prescription. Anyone with access to the internet, or a gym, can do it.

I think some people (thinking of the teachers in my DC's school, and young social worker colleagues of a good friend) are so caught up in this new ideology that they can't accept even the slightest possibility that encouraging DC to transition could be anything but positive.

They so genuinely believe they're doing the right thing, and that any critics are misinformed or driven by hate, that they dismiss any criticism, not giving it enough space in their brain to consider it properly.

And the deeper they get, the more entrenched they are in the belief that they are the Good Guys, defending the underdog and doing good in the world. Because at that point, if they accept the criticisms, they have to be open to the idea that they have been involved in damaging children, deeply and irreversibly. Many would rather not face up to that possibility, especially when they are so invested in their Good Person persona.

Obviously what they need is some actual solid principles and ethics, not the performance of them, but people often seem to find it hard to understand the difference in my experience.

The staff at the school are responsible if they did nothing, the Teacher regulations authority are responsible if they did nothing, police and CPS if they did nothing.

Lesson learned, how to safeguard myself and the institution better and fling the vulnerable under the bus harder.

This is awful.
WTF were the teachers thinking?

It's in the article.

"Earlier this year, however, the couple discovered that some teachers at the school had been calling their daughter, now 16, by a boy’s name, against their wishes and the head teacher’s direction."

The head teacher told them not to. They did it anyway.

Colleagu es, police and the COS are not doing their jibs. Fabricated induced illness is a criminal offence. Are staff reporting? are the police not investigating, are CPS not prosecuting? what's gone wrong?

Yes I have read that and the CASS report.
But a rogue group of teachers took it upon themselves to ignore that. Surely that must raise alarm bells with you?

You have evidence of this ? Or is this supposition on your part ?

Why are you saying "the school" when supporting this child to transition wasn't something the senior management of the school endorsed, they had directed the staff NOT to transition the child.

But a rogue group of teachers took it upon themselves to ignore that. Surely that must raise alarm bells with you?

Every time you post as if the school were taking a considered approach, you are muddying the waters and obscuring this fact.

It's an absolute scandal and I'm pleased the press are reporting on this.

What you don't seem to understand is that gender ideology is very like a religion and there are zealots in many different professions (teachers, social workers, GPs and other clinicians etc), who will ignore their training, professional codes of conduct, safeguarding and principles in order to enable children to transition, which has the potential to be hugely damaging for those children.

It's a medical scandal that's happening right now, under our noses.

If every time an example of it hits the news, people like you say "oh, it's probably not as bad as it sounds" that's exactly how scandals like this are allowed to happen. You may think of yourself as pragmatic, but actually what you're doing is dangerous as it contributes to enabling this kind of thing to go on, it helps people look the other way.

To make it stop happening, to stop children with complex issues being transitioned by well-meaning but misguided professionals, we need people to stop and look at what's going on, to be outraged. Not hand wave it away as "probably fine, if only I knew all the details". It's far from fine.

Have you read Time To Think by Hannah Barnes?

I strongly suggest you do. I recommend the audio book if you're short of time to read (free with an audible subscription, if you have one. They also do a free trial, I believe).

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1800751117/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0

Wow.

What am I evaluating ? WTF actually happened here before deciding school was right or wrong, social services were out of order or totally proportionate, were the parents protective or actually controlling ? Where did they get the meds ? Who prescribed them ? How old were they at that time ?

So, so, so much we just don't know. Things are very rarely so black and white.

And how? Evaluation is more than just dismissing what you don't like / agree with.

What are you trying to 'evaluate'?

I wouldn't describe it as minimizing more evaluating before making a judgement: Why ?
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Experience and pragmatism.

Why are you minimising this? What is your agenda? No, you don't know the details, but you seem determined to fill in the gaps to minimise what actually happened. Why?

Why are you ignoring that the teachers were told not to transition this child by senior management?

This isn't about the school as a whole taking. considered approach that is felt to be in the best interests of the child.

This is about a small group of zealots thinking they know best and covertly facilitating the transitioning of a child, behind the backs of the parents AND the school. This is not what should be happening when we send our DC to school.

And now it has happened, the school should deal with those teachers robustly, but there is no indication from the article that this has happened, and if so, then the school as a whole is at fault too.

No, the teachers aren't doctors. So, they should not be promoting or supporting medical treatments for kids, covertly, behind their parents' backs. This is basic stuff. The teachers judgement here is way off.