Plan to let children change gender at school a 'political disaster' - row has broken out within the Government

You're right @MrsOvertonsWindow - schools override parental consent and parental wishes every day, don't they?

Lunch box 'policing'
Refusing authorisation for family holidays
Refusing authorisation for appointments that aren't seemed 'urgent'
Sending children out of lessons for uniform infractions
Not admitting children on to the school site at all because of uniform infractions
Not letting children go to the toilet when they need to go
Not letting girls manage periods with sufficient privacy and dignity
Not fulfilling the school's legal obligations around SEN provision
Ignoring or refusing requests to administer certain medications

I could go on.

The point is, the school will say that they are acting in the best interests of the child, and/or the best interests of the school ('aligning needs and policies with available resources') and we all understand that.

So why is the 'social transitioning' political crap different?

Wow, gaslighting an entire generation. Well done adults, great work. Fucking genius.

Sadly that is not my experience. We had an assembly only last week saying students must use preferred pronouns. Most children are fully on board, it's a small minority who question it, and even those with doubts are far too scared to speak out.

Don't know if this has been posted already but this is a brilliant essay about the cat story.

https://www.voidifremoved.co.uk/p/the-man-who-mistook-the-point-for

This is such an important discussion, thank you.

It concerns me greatly that the issue of consent is itself being manipulated by activists. There is existing statute and case law that even adults cannot consent to harm. So how are under-18s able to consent to the physical harm of 'transitioning', the starting point of which is 'social transition'? It's not as straightforward as the activists like to make out.

There are also limits to parental consent in case law. Does anyone remember this case? (The child was very young, admittedly.) (NB in the case I've linked, the judge criticised social workers, who were possibly captured as early as 2016.)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/custody-boy-living-as-girl-with-mother-awarded-to-father-high-court-judge-a7374761.html

I don't agree with lunch box police. Who the neck do these people think they are? They see FII in colleagues and do nothing them pick on some year 2 for a rich tea biscuit, humiliating them. Reorganisation of deckchairs on a sinking Titanic.

https://twitter.com/patricej36/status/1672886954168393729?cxt=HHwWgoC9ycn0pLcuAAAA

We have had this in the UK also. This is what's happening in hate speech, self ID utopia.

Parent 1

Parent 2

Parent 3

No mother produced by a surrogate. I can see where this is going.

Random professionals removing parental responsibility and adding themselves as parents without court orders and not being sent to prison.

They need to be arrested and told to stop this over reach.

Go into their homes assess what they do to their own children, they deserve to be safeguarded as much as children at work.

The kind of thinking I hope occurs to Kemi in her role on this - and that snap inspection around equality breaches.

You are spot on there mrs o

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4834933-parents-kept-in-the-dark-by-teachers-about-their-16-year-old-daughters-medical-transition

So legalised rape has been joined by legalised fabricated induced illness now? Poor men they were ugly they just wanted a shag. Poor professionals, they just wanted to look edgy and trendy, poor things.

Will full eugenics be used to shorten NHS waiting lists, will it progress to assistance suicide becoming legal by the backdoor also? Poor professionals they have so much work.

Here you are FedgeHund - share token:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c4af6f1c-1276-11ee-9673-09365d127a9f?shareToken=8c95cc236885d4f632790bc6c344696e

It's funny how so many schools happily remove items from a child's lunchbox prepared by a parent and refuse a parent's right to fill it with sweets. There are all sorts of instances when parental demands for special treatment for their child are refused by schools with good reason. Yet if a parent demands the school community distort reality and recognise their child as the opposite sex, schools immediately obey?

These are political decisions made under the influence of political activists with the needs of children not taken into account.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-pupils-our-daughter-school-furries-transgender-treatment-c09lqffzb

Is there a share token for this available?

You can't have this, you can't have a sacred caste with fabricated induced illness running around not being convicted, why is this happening?

Devouring mothers, paedophiles - whatever is going on with the teachers, they must be punished, these are white collar crimes the police and CPS are not prosecuting.

Is it because they are middle class like MPs? Send the Tory Biological sex Westminster debate ex builder MP in, he has no loyalty to white collar criminals.

I don't think there should be any leeway for schools to led by parents or clinicians on social transition. Sadly most of the clinicians involved in trans medicine are themselves blinded by ideology.

The greatest potential harm of social transition is that if everyone around a child is pretending that they have actually changed sex, a child will believe that this is actually possible. They are effectively being told a lie, and at some point in their lives they will realise it's a lie, and sadly for some that will be after they have damaged their bodies with hormones and surgery.

Schools need to be told to support and celebrate gender non-conformity, but adhere clearly to the scientific truth that sex change is impossible. If parents want to socially transition their child at home, that's fine - but a child needs to know that while they will always be protected against discrimination and harassment, they cannot compel the rest of society to pretend they have changed sex.

Another thought. If it's state sanctioned social transitioning, then it's the state on the hook when it comes to legal cases against the government and the inevitable inquiry - however far down the road that is. It's immensely unwise if that's what they're doing.

I found this a useful thread:

twitter.com/sexmattersorg/status/1672843772860702721?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

"It is very concerning that @ GillianKeegan is considering promoting the idea of "social transition" at school.

This is a major intervention in which teachers and classmates are forced to provide an experimental and ideological socio-medical treatment

If a school accepts that a child has "transitioned gender" they have to apply the gender ideology framework to all the other children - "boy" and "girl" are seen as gender identities not sexes.

Schools should not do this.
They should be clear that every child has a sex and this cannot change.
They can change their name or be known by a nickname but this does not change their "gender"

Rules that apply to girls or boys must continue to apply.

There can be no concept of "transition" at school to being a child for whom normal rules (to protect everyone's privacy, dignity, safety and fairness) no longer apply.

Neither parents nor doctors can demand that schools discard material reality, safeguarding, and responsibility to uphold the rights of other children."

Agree that compelled speech is an issue. GC parents and children could argue that they have rights too and shouldn't be forced into supporting this ideology.

I think Paterson would love to prove Truedeau wrong and meet the UK government to advise a way out with ex Tavistock staff like Sonia, the Dr Nurse couple and Bell.

Humans can't change sex and neither can they become cats. This whole time-wasting nonsense needs to stop.

Compelled speech is going to be the issue.

And yes to this

Absolutely and I agree with your other post too

And all pp saying this could be the turning point for the U.K.

It only worked when lies could coerce reality into submission

Really what does social transition mean?

Parents can dress their child and give them whatever name they like. These are just social conventions.

What they must not be able to do is make everyone agree they are now a boy/girl.

Pronouns are going to be the sticking point because it'll be argued they are just another social convention, but they're not because they require something from other people.

Jordan Peterson identified compelled speech as the central issue in the Trans issue when he first spoke up years ago and I think as we unravel all this he's going to be proved to be right.

Compelled speech is going to be the issue.

These activist teaching staff have elected themselves as qualified professional mental health clinicians able to diagnose a condition that doesn’t exist in any clinical texts, and identify an intervention that is considered to have major psychotherapeutic impact.

For clarity, they’re not diagnosing Gender Dysphoria and any comorbidities. They are in essence affirming an Anorexic child that they’re fat.

And no one can stop them 🤷‍♂️

The media need to make these Gnostics a nationwide laughing stock!

James Kirkup did a great job of ridiculing Moron looking into souls.

https://newdiscourses.com/2023/01/gnosticism-modern-and-postmodern/#:~:text=Gnosticism%20is%20one%20of%20the%20ancient%20%E2%80%9CEsoteric%E2%80%9D%20religions,the%20Woke%20phenomenon%2C%20Marxism%2C%20and%20all%20the%20rest.

Parliament should be looking at MPs with a history of DV.

The Peter Pan, Pansexual, Gnostic priestess wants others to follow the leader or else! Woman in woman!

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/layla-moran-lib-dems-domestic-violence-273416

Nice middle ways aren't possible to protect children's and other people's rights from this agenda. Any more than it's possible to let only the nice men with Lyla Moran checked souls into the women's single sex facilities.

Moran has appointed herself a Gnostic priestess as Starmer has appointed himself a Gnostic priest. We shouldn't have to follow their religious beliefs.

These people in schools, charities, NHS ect, Jordan Peterson calls them the devouring mother, that's why they are like the Stepmother in Grim tales - removing parental responsibility without court orders.

They are like domestic abusers (or they have no children of their own) and become terrorists as DV is not enough any more.

I think, whatever the government say here, on the ground there will still be a fudge.

All the teachers who are currently in favour of social transitioning will probably carry on regardless, though complaints from other students and parents would gain a lot more traction if it was definitively not supported by those in power.

I expect there has always been some leeway for name changes. If I child tells the teacher they prefer a shortened version of their name or use of a second name, wouldn’t the teacher often comply?

It’s really important that it is made clear that children cannot use opposite sex facilities and that other children should never be compelled to use inappropriate pronouns. With the latter, again it’s much less complicated if nobody uses inappropriate pronouns and everyone reverts to using sex based pronouns, in class at least.

I am glad this is finally being discussed properly. As @Froodwithatowel says, ”This is the first layer of the massive can of worms marked 'undoing political capture'.”

If they get this right, I think it will become a huge turning point in the UK.

Jordan Peterson describes these teachers as having a low intelligence, being narcissistic and sadistic, he believes governments should imprison them.

I agree, the Rye Collage teacher will be behaving that way over everything in classrooms for years and there are many like her in every school. Her colleagues, her husband and children will be suffering, so they should be safeguarded from these teachers too. They are not up to the job of working with the vulnerable. We are better off education wide, nations mental health wide, retention and recruitment wise to screen personality disorders out before investing in training DBS staff, removing trip hazard humans, as the Tory builder said in the biological sex Westminster debate.

many have teachers passionately invested in all this crap they've been fed, very invested in being progressive and virtue signalling and meeting their own needs using the children caught up in this, who believe they are righteous and on a crusade against evil non believers. The fanaticism will have to be addressed. And training provided that balances all that they have been trained in up to this point, including how law and policy has been intentionally misrepresented to manipulate them into furthering a political lobby's agenda.