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Two 14yo girls write to Gillian Keegan

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ResisterRex · 23/06/2023 13:45

This covers a lot of ground, best read in full:

www.transgendertrend.com/gillian-keegan-open-letter-teenage-girls/

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dimorphism · 06/07/2023 22:14

That letter is so shocking. Well done girls for standing up for yourselves and your friends / classmates but the fact they have had to shows the abject failure of the adults in positions of responsibility to adequately safeguard girls.

TheBiologyStupid · 06/07/2023 21:35

Babdoc · 05/07/2023 10:51

“Five Go Campaigning on Terf Island” by E Blyton!
I’d buy it.Grin

😂

RealityFan · 05/07/2023 11:50

SinnerBoy · 05/07/2023 11:46

RealityFan · Today 11:39

I must have watched Python episodes dozens of times since the early 70s, incl the films.

I meant the Oracle of Delphi!

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Delphic-oracle

"Delphic oracle, also called Pythia, Pytho, and Oracle of Delphi, most famous ancient oracle, believed to deliver prophecies from the Greek god Ap;oll"

Haha, typical for me to mistake something, and then keep digging, lol.

With Enid B being not exactly "progessive" on race etc, trigger warnings would absolutely be the order of the day on a gender critical tome.

Good luck to the girls.

SinnerBoy · 05/07/2023 11:46

RealityFan · Today 11:39

I must have watched Python episodes dozens of times since the early 70s, incl the films.

I meant the Oracle of Delphi!

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Delphic-oracle

"Delphic oracle, also called Pythia, Pytho, and Oracle of Delphi, most famous ancient oracle, believed to deliver prophecies from the Greek god Ap;oll"

Delphic oracle | Definition, Greek Mythology, Pythia, & Facts

Delphic oracle, also called Pythia, Pytho, and Oracle of Delphi, most famous ancient oracle, believed to deliver prophecies from the Greek god Apollo. She was based in his temple at Delphi, located on the slopes of Mt. Parnassus above the Corinthian G...

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Delphic-oracle

RealityFan · 05/07/2023 11:39

SinnerBoy · 05/07/2023 11:27

RealityFan · Today 11:17

Trigger warnings preface by Dylan Mulvaney and Katie Montgomery.

Hidden by Gen Z staff in Waterstones.

Tweets in favour of the book by well known personalities leads to them recanting a day later.

Blimey, I think you are the reincarnated Pythoness!

I must have watched Python episodes dozens of times since the early 70s, incl the films.

It was a badge of honour to love them.

Even as I laughed myself stupid as a teen and older, unwrapping layers of satire and anti establishment bombast, I always had a nagging anxiety.

Of a surreal world that felt hugely alien, especially any feeling it could happen.

And so much of it has come to pass, a world so riven with anti science and contradiction, embedded in a culture that is hugely buracratic.

John Cleese is the only one of the surviving team, with occasional outbursts from Terry Gilliam, that is unrepentant in pointing out the cul de sac we're going down societally.

Python is looking less an out and out satire, and more and more a warning for the future.

Just watch Life Of Brian, and tell me that isn't an accurate prediction from four decades earlier.

SinnerBoy · 05/07/2023 11:27

RealityFan · Today 11:17

Trigger warnings preface by Dylan Mulvaney and Katie Montgomery.

Hidden by Gen Z staff in Waterstones.

Tweets in favour of the book by well known personalities leads to them recanting a day later.

Blimey, I think you are the reincarnated Pythoness!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/07/2023 11:19

That's a great letter! And good to see them calling out the complete absence of any consultation with young women and girls about whether they consent to toilet sharing with boys (let alobne changing rooms, dormitories & showers). There was a time when "pupil voice", school councils etc were considered to be important.
Much of it now abandoned in order to get Stonewall points for being a diversity champion & contributing to schools becoming a more hostile environment for girls.

RealityFan · 05/07/2023 11:17

Babdoc · 05/07/2023 10:51

“Five Go Campaigning on Terf Island” by E Blyton!
I’d buy it.Grin

Trigger warnings preface by Dylan Mulvaney and Katie Montgomery.

Hidden by Gen Z staff in Waterstones.

Tweets in favour of the book by well known personalities leads to them recanting a day later.

Babdoc · 05/07/2023 10:51

“Five Go Campaigning on Terf Island” by E Blyton!
I’d buy it.Grin

RealityFan · 05/07/2023 09:54

Kinda like Enid Blighton reimagined by JKR for 2023.

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changeforthebetternottheworse · 28/06/2023 21:29

Really excellent letter, and I do believe that 14 year olds wrote it.
The only thing that jarred was the suggestion that boys could use the disabled toilets if they felt uncomfortable in the male toilets. Disabled people are sick of shit like this.

Plunkplink · 27/06/2023 09:50

I think a lot of this thread has been derailed. Let’s discuss the message not the messengers

dimorphism · 27/06/2023 09:40

It's so ridiculous and if everyone is allowed to self ID as what they like (which of course is never true, it's creating an overclass and an underclass) it would be chaos.

All the kids could 'self identify' as having done their homework and 'self identify' as having achieved A* at GCSE.

Then, next generation we'll have 'self identified' doctors performing surgeries. It's going to be fun, don't get on a plane built by a 'self identified' engineer.

GailBlancheViola · 25/06/2023 20:16

Note how the girls can see quite clearly which sex class benefits most from this ideology.

SunnyEgg · 25/06/2023 20:01

GailBlancheViola · 25/06/2023 19:49

Excellent letter.

Also gives the lie to the oft quoted line of TRAs that everyone, especially the the young are totally on board with Gender Ideology and it's just us wrinkled oldies who will die out soon who oppose it.

Secondly, those girls are crystal clear about how this ideology is stripping them of their rights, their safety, their privacy and their dignity.

Thirdly, that students, like everyone else, are being coerced and bullied into playing along with this ideology. They are having their speech compelled and their thinking controlled.

Gender Ideology if it is to be taught has to be taught as a belief system much like religion - some people think this, some people believe this no-one else has to go along with it or participate in it.

Good post

GailBlancheViola · 25/06/2023 19:59

All those saying it couldn't be two 14 year olds, remember it took a similarly aged teen to take an LEA to Judicial Review over that dreadful guidance for schools which was then withdrawn. Teenagers are not stupid they can see this authoritarian bullshit for exactly what it is.

GailBlancheViola · 25/06/2023 19:49

Excellent letter.

Also gives the lie to the oft quoted line of TRAs that everyone, especially the the young are totally on board with Gender Ideology and it's just us wrinkled oldies who will die out soon who oppose it.

Secondly, those girls are crystal clear about how this ideology is stripping them of their rights, their safety, their privacy and their dignity.

Thirdly, that students, like everyone else, are being coerced and bullied into playing along with this ideology. They are having their speech compelled and their thinking controlled.

Gender Ideology if it is to be taught has to be taught as a belief system much like religion - some people think this, some people believe this no-one else has to go along with it or participate in it.

WifeOfTiresias · 25/06/2023 17:47

Mochudubh · 23/06/2023 14:47

To be fair, Zeus was known to identify as bulls and swans and things but only to get in the pants of some unsuspecting mortal woman.

No, Zeus didn't identify as any of those things. He just changed his appearance to fool the mortal women he preyed on to let down their guard. Sounds oddly familiar....

Igmum · 24/06/2023 19:22

Outstanding letter. Well written, well evidenced, clear and coherent. I'm giving these girls an A star in Terf Studies and look forward to welcoming them to this nest of vipers.

I hope the Government listens too.

RealityFan · 24/06/2023 17:24

Sure, but these would be maybe the only ones who'd unreservedly not censor their words if questioned. It still seems like a massive rearguard action.

We're not talking about a movement to silence gays or impede equal marriage or promote gay conversion therapy. This is not the bad old 70s and 80s.

We're talking about mainstream views that every woman in the labour movement and every pro choice Tory would not break sweat on, any dissent would shame dinosaurs.

And yet the dinosaurs are in the ascendant.

SunnyEgg · 24/06/2023 17:16

RealityFan · 24/06/2023 17:04

How has it come to pass, that in 2023 the only champions of the female sex class are Kemi Badenoch and Miriam Cates, and Rosie Duffield and Jo Cherry? Four MPs out of six hundred and fifty.

In a land of utter fucking confusion, this is as confusing as it gets.

I don’t think that’s right. Many spoke well at the debate the other day

RealityFan · 24/06/2023 17:14

SunnyEgg · 24/06/2023 17:04

Yes there’s a huge amount invested in discrediting 13 and 14 year old girls.

If adults can’t push for change I have more faith they can.

It’s their reality people are screwing up

Generation Alpha are coming right up behind Gen Z. Can't be sure of anything in this topsy turvy age, but there's a lot of anecdotal evidence that whole swathes of Alphas have had enough of their whinging narcissistic older siblings ("NB, my arse!"), and lost faith in teachers and "responsible adults" who've taken the path of least resistance.

The girls on the CatGate tape, these supremely erudite letter writers. This is just the start.

SunnyEgg · 24/06/2023 17:04

MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/06/2023 13:55

People dismissing this have a lot invested in denying the harm that's happening to children. A teacher threatening and bullying children who state accurately that there are only two sexes let alone hurling accusations of homophobia in order to silence two genuinely questioning 13 year olds is shameful.
Having to admit that the tactics used by transactivists world wide to silence others are now being used on children in schools to ensure their compliance with untruths and fake facts must be difficult.

Teaching children English is all about interrogating texts, understanding tone, style, inference, register etc and being able to replicate them. Of course able 14 year olds are able to write in this manner.

Yes there’s a huge amount invested in discrediting 13 and 14 year old girls.

If adults can’t push for change I have more faith they can.

It’s their reality people are screwing up

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