Teenager guilty of murder.

It’s not as accessible to a 15yr old as for anyone 16+. Her parents would be notified.

Actually, not quite. I went to a clinic at 16 and was told I needed an adult present. I thought I'd be turned away, but was told they can make their own judgement based on whether they think you can make a decision.

I think people are overstating how 'inaccessible' abortion is. It's quite discreet and they usually want to help you get one.

It’s not as accessible to a 15yr old as for anyone 16+. Her parents would be notified.

No, they don't have to be.

It’s not as accessible to a 15yr old as for anyone 16+. Her parents would be notified.

I'm surprised you didn't diy your pregnancy but sought a legal way instead.

This is OK?

OK, would you rather do your own abortion or kill your newborn baby?

But this isn't?

Hmm.

No, you don't get to tell people when they can and can't talk just because you don't like what they're saying about an upsetting subject matter. I wonder what your theory is re why this girl did what she did if she was not experiencing psychosis.

Could you just not, please?

This crosses the line into tin foil hat territory. For your own sake get off MN and get some fresh air

OK, would you rather do your own abortion or kill your newborn baby?

Given that you can have an abortion without even going to a clinic , I'm going to stand by what I've said. Thanks for your input though.

'If anything, it is too easy to have an abortion'

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Literally no idea what you're banging on about at this point. Do yourself a favour and stop pretending it's nigh on impossible to end your pregnancy if that's what you want. I've been there and done it.

You can literally have pills posted to you. If anything, it is too easy to have an abortion. And quite frankly, if I really couldn't access the service and really didn't want a baby, I'd DIY it over giving birth and subjecting my living, breathing baby to a violent death.

But you can't know that!
You can't know she knew in time, knew what to do and how to do it.

You can't know her dad didn't demand to know where she was at all times.

These days school rings your home if you don't turn up. You can't sneak a day off to nip to a clinic.

The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn’t care about truth or reality, but only the victory of their beliefs and illusions.

Yeah, you're right really. After all, you can't truly consider yourself a feminist unless you can find excuses for every evil act a woman/girl has ever committed.

Well I can go back 50 years, teenage me arrives to see GP as I thought I was pregnant, he confirmed it and spent several minutes trying to get me to agree to an abortion as he thought it was the most sensible thing to do. He took some convincing but eventually accepted that I wasn't having an abortion. I don't think a pregnant 14 year old would have much trouble getting an abortion.

Yes because psychiatrists always have patients that are totally engaged with the process and they can't come to any conclusions without that.

she could have had a termination but chose not to

I mean, this is absolutely true.

Yeah I do think it's a possibility, especially considering how violent the murder was.

So your theory is she could have had a termination but chose not to in order to continue the pregnancy and have the opportunity to murder the baby?

Because I can't see the relevance otherwise.

@IheardYouButDontWantToAnswer she was 14 when she got pregnant.

Unable to consent.

There are reasons why we don't want 14yr olds having sex.

24 weeks is a perfectly good timescale to get an abortion if you know you are pregnant, and have someone to get you to a clinic for more than one appointment.

When you are 14/15 it's not as easy.

And as for letting off a man murdering a small baby because he can't cope...
It's simply not the same. My definition he has someone else there at least some of the time (the mum), it's not a secret by the time he is involved, he hasn't been through the trauma of an unwanted pregnancy followed by secret birth... when he has, by all means use that as a comparison.

To be honest if a 15yr old boy was living in a squat with his girlfriend, both afraid of anyone realising they were there, and she'd gone out and not come back, and he was afraid he'd be accused of something if he sought help- I could well imagine he'd fail to cope. And still he wouldn't have had the hormones and prolonged stress she'd experienced.

I was 37 when I had my abortion. Let me take you through the details of how 'accessible' this was. I had to go to Manchester to be assessed and then to go to Liverpool for the abortion. I had an early abortion, 10 weeks, because I simply couldn't go through another miscarriage. It took two weeks to have this done. When I was pregnant with my third baby, the hospital gave me an early scan, brilliant care, to reassure me.

I've accessed the service more than once, once as a teen. It really was so much easier than continuing a pregnancy and killing a newborn.