Teenager guilty of murder.

She was represented by a KC at trial. I imagine that was publicly funded; they do not appear to be people who could afford such representation themselves. That funding will cover advice on and representation at an appeal

you have misrepresented me consistently (in fairness, this may be because you are genuinely incapable of understanding). Take your own advice.

I don’t. I’m not calling them shriekers because they gave different views. I’m calling them shriekers because they’re shriekers.

Agree entirely. It displays a mindset that is 'my way or the highway'.

Hi op, you said worse to me than what pp said about 'shriekers'. You said I have no empathy and you feel sorry for my child because I disagreed respectfully on this thread and voiced a perfectly normal opinion...

Yes, we know, the only valid interpretation is that of a lower court jury, who are according to you infallible. You’ve made this point over and over and over and over. Give it a rest.

We arrived to largely the same conclusion as the expert that conceded it is possible that she lied, and his conclusion and expert evidence to the court was that it is his view after reviewing her medical records including observations and conversations she had with other HCPs, plus his face to face formal assessment of her that she isn’t lying but suffering from pregnancy denial.

So basically this expert has said beyond a reasonable doubt, he thinks she is not lying.

We “shriekers” have pointed to a few issues that could be grounds for an appeal. I distinctly recall you posting in response that I was on a windup because no one could be so stupid [as me.] I did report it for the personal attack it was, but don’t know if it got deleted.

So he accepts she could be lying but people on here, who have never met her, are determined she wasn't.

Her mother doesn’t care. She couldn’t even support her daughter at the trial or sentencing. No surprise one of the things Mayo has said is her parents had called her useless and a disappointment of a daughter …this was growing up long before she started having under age sex to feel affection and liked.

He was asked on cross examination if Mayo could be lying and responded that it is possible.

Which of course it is, an expert opinion is at core an opinion. No reputable psychiatrist is going to claim they know the exact thoughts of a person.

'the shriekers' ?? Why do you feel it neccessary to insult people with different views from your own?

This is what bothers me. Will there even be an appeal for someone with no money to pay for it? How does it work?

Of course, if there was an error or misconduct within the trial and the conviction is overturned, that should be accepted (subject to appeal to SC on matters of law). As I’ve already pointed out though, the C of A won’t question the jury’s assessment of the evidence.
the trouble the shriekers here have is they can’t actually point to any errors within the trial. They just aren’t suited by the verdict.

Precisely; there are a range of explanations. The jury assessed the facts and the evidence, including the defence expert evidence, and reached a view.
people seem to think that there is only one valid interpretation here, which is theirs. That is not the case.

What sort of jury, who would have been honest upstanding citizens, have been present at murder/other criminal trial of a black man in the Southern States of America in the 1950s?

Would another jury, in New York, in the 21st Century, necessarily come to the same verdict when presented with the same alleged perpetrator and the same evidence?

Why are so many alleged rapists acquitted?

Juries, the police, the CPS and even judges can have ignorance of something, or even prejudices, which make them effectively biased

I am not at all secure in the belief that the jury in this trial were actually instructed about the nature of Infanticide and how it can go with denial/suppression of pregnancy.

They were however instructed in the opposite view from the CPS and one of the expert witnesses that the 19 year old standing in front of them in the dock, in an adult court room, who had started having sex at 13 (slut) had four years previously, deliberately and cunningly lied about and hidden her pregnancy, then hidden her labour, all so she could viciously kill her newborn child by the nastiest means possible, and then throw him away once he was born. … even though she knew she had loving, supportive parents who would have helped.

Moreover, the expert suggested, she was not remotely disturbed or distressed by her pregnancy and giving birth. Indeed she was such a psycho that she was perfectly calm afterwards. Then the jury saw in court that she proved herself a liar by not admitting her guilt to any of it.

Only a vicious horrendous psycho would kill their baby that way.

Me too. The only verdict I want is the correct one.

I would accept the verdict of the people who have seen all the evidence and I suspect most would be the same.

Didn't the psychiatrist who diagnosed pregnancy denial also say she could just be lying?

Overturned by the Court of Appeal like the murder verdict was (in favour of Infanticide) in the similarly brutal killing of a newborn baby by its mother in the Tunskill case 2018/2019?

The end of that Guardian article by Julie Wheelwright suggests the system has very little money to help accused people. I wonder if it would be unlikely for a properly legally supported appeal to be funded?

Paris Mayo and her mother would not seem to be assertive people who might keep pressing for help.

If this sentence is successfully appealed or overturned in some way, will all those who approve of the current sentence immediately change their minds as obviously the decision will have been made by people with more information than them?

We are not qualified to question the decision made by the judge and jury, as they say.

Especially since the judge stated it was “wholly out of character” indicating Mayo is not a teen that has a record of torturing and killing small animals, bullying younger children, and similar behaviours associated with an emerging sadistic and cruel personality.

@Iwasafool
Brutally killing the baby might just indicate that she was that cruel and sadistic because the brutality of the attack would also indicate that wouldn't it?

I agree with AP5Diva’s answer to you.

But, how likely is it really that any girl or woman who has just given birth, kills their own baby for sadistic satisfaction or the fun of being cruel?

In this case, apart from anything else, nothing formerly known about this girl seemed to reflect that sort of character.