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Teenager guilty of murder.

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placemats · 23/06/2023 13:26

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/23/teenager-guilty-baby-herefordshire-hide-pregnancy-paris-mayo

Apart from the fact that she was raped, if consent to sex is to be a legal term, I find the prosecutions allegations appalling.

'But the prosecution alleged Mayo must have known she was pregnant but chose to deliberately conceal it because she was always planning to kill the baby.'

Perhaps Mayo didn't get early abortion help she needed. I know of one woman, who had 3 previous children, who didn't realise she was pregnant, thought it was early menopause until 4 weeks before her due date. However to allege she was always planning to kill the baby is a step too far. It intimates that those in authority know this child's mind.

Teenager guilty of murdering baby in Herefordshire to hide pregnancy

Paris Mayo, now 19, violently assaulted newborn in 2019 to stop family finding out about the birth

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/23/teenager-guilty-baby-herefordshire-hide-pregnancy-paris-mayo

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pickledandpuzzled · 05/07/2023 07:56

ArabeIIaScott · 04/07/2023 19:50

Look, both of you have made good points on this thread but you're descending into petty tit for tat. Why don't you both take a deep breath, tell me to fuck off, and move on?

You phrased that so well! Thank you.

ScrollingLeaves · 04/07/2023 21:38

In case anyone comes on here not realising, there is a new thread now

”Teenager guilty of murder. Thread 2”

AP5Diva · 04/07/2023 19:51

ArabeIIaScott · 04/07/2023 19:50

Look, both of you have made good points on this thread but you're descending into petty tit for tat. Why don't you both take a deep breath, tell me to fuck off, and move on?

You’re right. I’m sinking lower than I should.

AP5Diva · 04/07/2023 19:50

AgathaSpencerGregson · 04/07/2023 19:47

I’ll give you a little clue; five letters, starts with z and ends with h 😂

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So you don’t know.

ArabeIIaScott · 04/07/2023 19:50

Look, both of you have made good points on this thread but you're descending into petty tit for tat. Why don't you both take a deep breath, tell me to fuck off, and move on?

AgathaSpencerGregson · 04/07/2023 19:47

AgathaSpencerGregson · 04/07/2023 19:45

but you appear so confident, so you must too. What’s the answer?

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I’ll give you a little clue; five letters, starts with z and ends with h 😂

AgathaSpencerGregson · 04/07/2023 19:45

AP5Diva · 04/07/2023 19:34

You should know.

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but you appear so confident, so you must too. What’s the answer?

AP5Diva · 04/07/2023 19:37

AgathaSpencerGregson · 04/07/2023 19:31

And it’s precedent, by the way.

Yah, autocorrect

AP5Diva · 04/07/2023 19:36

AgathaSpencerGregson · 04/07/2023 19:32

Bats are quite intelligent animals. Not what I had in mind at all.

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Cows are smarter than bats according to science.

AP5Diva · 04/07/2023 19:34

AgathaSpencerGregson · 04/07/2023 19:30

Tell me what any of that has to do with a jury verdict - on the facts.

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You should know.

AgathaSpencerGregson · 04/07/2023 19:32

AP5Diva · 04/07/2023 19:29

Why? We all know bats shriek, so you called us batty and I’m calling you bovine. If you don’t like receiving it, don’t dish it out.

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Bats are quite intelligent animals. Not what I had in mind at all.

AgathaSpencerGregson · 04/07/2023 19:31

And it’s precedent, by the way.

AgathaSpencerGregson · 04/07/2023 19:30

AP5Diva · 04/07/2023 19:29

FFS, you cannot be what you say you are. Persuasive precedents according to the doctrine of precedence are nonbinding. Any law student would know this much less a lawyer of 25yrs experience. I’ve posted the legal texts defining and explaining this to you and yet you still persist with your gross ignorance of the doctrine of precedence.

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Tell me what any of that has to do with a jury verdict - on the facts.

AP5Diva · 04/07/2023 19:29

AgathaSpencerGregson · 04/07/2023 18:27

I wouldn’t normally bother reporting someone as silly as you, but I think calling someone a cow is not quite cricket. So I have.

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Why? We all know bats shriek, so you called us batty and I’m calling you bovine. If you don’t like receiving it, don’t dish it out.

AP5Diva · 04/07/2023 19:29

AgathaSpencerGregson · 04/07/2023 18:25

you were insisting upthread that you hadn’t tried to argue that jury decisions are binding. Now you seem to be arguing they are.
I wouldn’t be applying for law school just yet, if I were you.

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FFS, you cannot be what you say you are. Persuasive precedents according to the doctrine of precedence are nonbinding. Any law student would know this much less a lawyer of 25yrs experience. I’ve posted the legal texts defining and explaining this to you and yet you still persist with your gross ignorance of the doctrine of precedence.

AgathaSpencerGregson · 04/07/2023 18:27

AP5Diva · 04/07/2023 18:22

If we are shrieking, then you are lowing.

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I wouldn’t normally bother reporting someone as silly as you, but I think calling someone a cow is not quite cricket. So I have.

AgathaSpencerGregson · 04/07/2023 18:25

AP5Diva · 04/07/2023 18:21

I am pretty sure the misrepresentation has flowed in the opposite direction with your claiming I was saying that lower court/jury decision are binding and other desperate measures to avoid admitting you were completely mistaken regarding the doctrine of precedent including persuasive precedents despite claiming to be a lawyer of 25yrs experience.

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you were insisting upthread that you hadn’t tried to argue that jury decisions are binding. Now you seem to be arguing they are.
I wouldn’t be applying for law school just yet, if I were you.

AP5Diva · 04/07/2023 18:22

AgathaSpencerGregson · 04/07/2023 13:59

I don’t. I’m not calling them shriekers because they gave different views. I’m calling them shriekers because they’re shriekers.

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If we are shrieking, then you are lowing.

AP5Diva · 04/07/2023 18:21

AgathaSpencerGregson · 04/07/2023 14:00

you have misrepresented me consistently (in fairness, this may be because you are genuinely incapable of understanding). Take your own advice.

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I am pretty sure the misrepresentation has flowed in the opposite direction with your claiming I was saying that lower court/jury decision are binding and other desperate measures to avoid admitting you were completely mistaken regarding the doctrine of precedent including persuasive precedents despite claiming to be a lawyer of 25yrs experience.

ScrollingLeaves · 04/07/2023 15:20

placemats · Today 14:56
I've started a new thread.

Thank you.

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placemats · 04/07/2023 14:56

I've started a new thread.

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AgathaSpencerGregson · 04/07/2023 14:18

BMustard · 04/07/2023 13:00

Agree entirely. It displays a mindset that is 'my way or the highway'.

Hi op, you said worse to me than what pp said about 'shriekers'. You said I have no empathy and you feel sorry for my child because I disagreed respectfully on this thread and voiced a perfectly normal opinion...

In the circs, “shriekers” seems pretty mild as insults go.

ScrollingLeaves · 04/07/2023 14:13

Iwasafool · Today 12:38

So he accepts she could be lying but people on here, who have never met her, are determined she wasn't

Just like you or I could be lying about our opinions on this thread.

ScrollingLeaves · 04/07/2023 14:07

Yes, @placemats thank you, I think there should be a new thread in case there are any more articles written about this case, or in case there is an appeal.