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Is this the new "it never happens"?

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AtomicBlondeRose · 23/06/2023 09:41

Seeing a lot of sniggering and joking on Twitter etc about students identifying as cats after the recent school news story. Lots of joshing and "oh yes, furries are the new threat" and accusations that people who believe this are off their rocker and exaggerating.

Except...I'm a teacher and I've taught a student who identified as a cat. Didn't have much effect on anything as we didn't have to call her by a cat name (it was a few years ago) and so on but she did identify as one! And I now work at a college and there's a student who wears a tail every day and a few who come in cat ears. And we're very much not on the cutting edge of trends here, so, given the rise in identity-assuming, and that it's a big world, and that teenagers are the absolute target audience for this sort of thing, why would we jump to the conclusion it isn't happening? If you look on Tiktok you can find lots of young people identifying as animals. Why the denial?

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Hepwo · 23/06/2023 23:44

It's all a bit back to front, what happened?

Hepwo · 23/06/2023 23:40

I don't land on either left or right but my observations of the issues the left and right attack each other over are a puzzle.

Hepwo · 23/06/2023 23:38

AtomicBlondeRose · 23/06/2023 10:23

There's a trend where people - and it tends to be people of a liberal mindset, which I used to be very much a part of hence following a lot of these types on Twitter - will, at the same time as being all "follow the science" and "no fake news!", totally ignore things that are demonstrably true. The whole "we care about billionaires on a sub but not about migrants" narrative is one of them. Migrant boat sinkings regularly make the front pages and news headlines and the UK spends a lot of time, money and effort rescuing migrants from the sea. We don't leave migrants to drown! Whether or not the man in the street is bothered about migrants, we DO make an effort to save their lives and plenty of people DO care, and it IS covered in the media. I mean, that's just...a fact?

I don't land on either left or right but my observations of the issues the left attack each other over are a puzzle.

The left does what you say here, focus a lot on money, and as you say attack conservatives for their money decisions. It's very much the prevalent narrative for the left, money.

The right look at the left and see what?

The left shouting non stop about the evil right wing money behaviour.

The left also shout non stop (not here, I know, I'm talking the woke bro and cis sis) about rights for every kink, public display of your anus and sexualised media with no boundaries.

So the right are seeing the left behaving like nonstop sex obsessed exhibitionists whose only morals are anger about the rights approach money.

It's strange here in the middle.

The left only cares about money and the right are a bit freaked out by the left's lack of care about any other morals

TheBiologyStupid · 23/06/2023 23:04

I wonder if any cat furries will be turning up on Pride marches? Could be a felid (!) day for the tabloids...

Justme56 · 23/06/2023 22:49

I think if you believe that there are numerous genders then it automatically follows that cat gender is a thing too. How many children are being taught there are 100 genders, and why should one be less valid than any other? Personally I think it’s a load of rubbish but when activists start teaching beliefs as facts this is the result.

Tanith · 23/06/2023 22:28

During Covid, DD and her friend identified as wolves. They spoke Wolfish to each other, though they were not allowed to do it in class. I believe it was an anxiety reaction to their world suddenly becoming scary and insecure.
The school indulged them, but didn't let it get out of hand, and it passed.

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 23/06/2023 21:54

What next? Inanimate objects?

This is a poem written by a woman who claimed to have married the Berlin Wall - it's 'a thing' and it's known as 'Object sexuality'.

I don't know if anybody ever asked the wall directly about 'he' identified, but I suppose it would technically hold true if a self-identified 'object' looked suspiciously like a human and thus could give their own perspective on the matter.

http://www.mit.edu/~mcanulty/i_dream.html

http://www.mit.edu/~mcanulty/i_dream.html

WallaceinAnderland · 23/06/2023 21:53

I've seen them saying it's just kids pretending.

Well what is a 'transgirl' if it's not a kid pretending.

They are trying to distance themselves from the logic as usual.

PurpleBugz · 23/06/2023 21:47

I think there is a lot of it's too big a problem if it is true and too uncomfortable to think about so I will bury my head in the sand and not engage with conversation about it. It doesn't happen. I'm not listening 🙉 lalalalallalalala

TerrificEchidnaSpikes · 23/06/2023 21:35

In our household I've got DH on one side saying "All this cat gender stuff is made up by the right-wing gutter press, what do you mean there was a bullying TRA teacher and a recording, I never heard about that on my Good People media, therefore it didn't happen!" while on the other side I've got teen DD telling me "I just read an article that a heroic teacher got cancelled by horrible bigots because she was protecting a helpless trans person from horrendous bullying by evil classmates who denied their identity!"

So it's not so much "This Never Happens", but rather "It Did And Didn't Happen But In Both Cases Genderism Wins" Hmm

MargotBamborough · 23/06/2023 20:20

Tbh I am much less bothered by people identifying as cats than I am by men identifying as women.

BabyStopCryin · 23/06/2023 20:18

What next? Inanimate objects?

EsmaCannonball · 23/06/2023 20:14

I know a teenager who attends a school where a handful of students identify as animals. It's a strict school but exemptions are made for those students who identify as something they are not, hence creating the attraction for anyone who likes attention, feeling special or being disruptive in the first place. Of course, one boy was indulged in this way so now other students are following suit. The other students find them eye-rollingly ridiculous but the attention and the special status is the entire point. The school has quite a few trans-identified students so I guess being trans wasn't nough any more. The teachers aren't actually referring to them as cats or foxes or whatever, though. It's more a question of wearing stuff.

BlackForestCake · 23/06/2023 19:49

Pretending to be an animal in your teens is also staggeringly immature.

So what? Teens are immature. They are allowed to be immature.

It seems a very Victorian attitude: “Now you are a MAN, my son, and must put away childish things!”.

When I was at university (decades ago) the student union was full of young adults watching Rainbow or whatever kids' programme was on at lunchtime. On some level they clearly found it comforting being able to switch off from their new adult lives for a little while.

QueenVerilas · 23/06/2023 19:39

Thelnebriati · 23/06/2023 09:52

I agree with that; but I'm also conscious of the fact that its almost impossible to talk about a lot of what happens with people who are out of the loop because it sounds made up.
Unless you are very careful and tone it down 80%, you end up sounding like a conspiracy theorist who needs to be helped out of a YouTube rabbit hole.

This. I was very out GC at my old job but my boss looked at me like I was a total nutter when I said lesbians now get kicked out of Pride marches for marching under banners of being same sex attracted. ‘ that’s what you say, Queen’ ,,he said with a raised eyebrow.

DSDaisy · 23/06/2023 19:34

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anyolddinosaur · 23/06/2023 11:35

As I dont have a child in school I dont know if it is happening or not - anyone saying it is could be part of a very elaborate hoax, schools denying it could be lying and defend it by saying they are safeguarding the cat child(ren). . Still there is proof that children are being gas lit about others saying they are a different sex. Children and adults are being bullied to sign up to a faith rather than basing their views on science. If the ranting teacher had been Christian and telling them they must believe just imagine the outcry.

At my school I think one or more boys might have decided to identify as ducks and specify a name life Daffy or Quackers and insist they were called that. You could sing "Wasnt it a bit of luck that I was born a yellow duck". Teenagers could have a lot more fun winding up their teachers.

BabyStopCryin · 23/06/2023 11:31

A friend works with a ‘cat’ (young female) and another works with a man in his 60s who dresses like a ‘little girl’ (my little pony leggings, frilly tops and pigtails), and many they/thems (all young women who are awful bullies and love running off to HR with complaints then whinge that no one wants to take lunch with them). Both in ‘creative’ industries though.

Seems par for the course these days…

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/06/2023 11:31

And yes OP - they're frantically denying this because they know how completely unacceptable it is. And when they see a major fuck up like this, acknowledging your part in enabling it is hard for all but the most emotionally intelligent.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/06/2023 11:28

GrammarTeacher · 23/06/2023 10:49

But wearing ears and a tail for fun isn't identifying as a cat. Furries don't actually identify as animals in that way. It's play. Yes, teenagers can play too!

Seriously? The place for cat ears and tails is in Early Years. I've taught in four different schools and the idea that some teachers are so out of touch with reality that they tolerate teenagers self ID ing as animals and actually bully other children into "respecting / acknowledging" these identities is shameful.
No wonder it's hit the headlines. How can children respect teachers actively promoting batshit behaviour like this? No wonder adults in schools struggle to exert their authority.

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 23/06/2023 11:19

@Thelnebriati tone it down or sound insane

Completely agree, they're saying it doesn't happen we're saying it does. As it would be insane if it were happening they must be right and we must be conspiracy nuts / right wing / overly emotional / falling for a hoax - whatever.

HorribleNecktie · 23/06/2023 11:16

The online furry community is absolutely full of groomers, paedophiles and zoophiles. No children should be involved with it.

Farmageddon · 23/06/2023 11:12

GrammarTeacher · 23/06/2023 10:49

But wearing ears and a tail for fun isn't identifying as a cat. Furries don't actually identify as animals in that way. It's play. Yes, teenagers can play too!

This issue is not about 'play', it's the expectation or demand that everyone else participate in your game. Can you really not see the problem with that?

Be whatever you want to be, but you don't get to demand other people agree with you, or punish them when they don't.

HorribleNecktie · 23/06/2023 11:10

Pretending to be an animal in your teens is also staggeringly immature. I loves foxes as a preteen and used to pretend to be in The Animals of Farthing Wood. But I grew out of it- just as well because if I’d tried that at secondary school I’d have been crucified.

Transparent2 · 23/06/2023 11:02

*been, not beeped, of course.