Glinner calling women "handmaidens"

Women have always been easy targets. https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/french-female-collaborator-punished-head-shaved-publicly-mark-1944/

I understand what you’re saying but it’s still a long way from the hostility, death threats and violence women have faced since the dawn of time.

I hate the term handmaiden when anyone uses it. The implication is that individuals don't really think what they think. Which almost always is completely inaccurate. It is perfectly possible for people to believe all kinds of idiotic garbage sincerely.

It looks a little worse coming from a man.

However - I've always felt that this is really Glinners weak spot. I think he's right on gender ideology, and I think he's been very brave and so scarified substantially to stand up for what he thinks is right.

But I also think he has a strong tendency to be mocking and dismissive when people disagree with him, and the fact is he isn't always right. He isn't so hot on freedom of expression when he decides it's unwarranted, ie that guy who made the jokes about the dog, which was clearly not a nazi dog.

Repairing his reputation?

I'd say the exact opposite.

Well put.

I, too, disagree. Glinner is one of the few people who has put his mouth where his money is and has suffered a great deal for standing up for women.

I appreciate Graham's support but I do think a large motive for his focus has been in repairing his reputation as opposed to being exclusively motivated by caring about the issue.

I don't agree with this. He could have held up his hands at any point and said "I made a mistake TWAW" and he would could have had a (maybe not the same) career back.

I think he is one of only a few people in public life who has a true moral compass and can't go against it. JKR is another. I am hugely indebted to them both and anyone else who has been as brave.

Trans ideology (not all trans people obvs) is the patriarchy on steroids. I suppose it's less surprising when males prop up the patriarchy. And we do call them out and point out the misogyny, homophobia/ internalised homophobia. I suppose dick panderers are displaying internalised misogyny. But there's a class thing being capitalised on too. Most of the dick panderers are unlikely to find themselves sharing a prison with transwomen sex offenders.

Im probably alone in thinking women SHOULD be shamed for pandering to men at the expense of the rights of all women.
But Im a dick, so ignore me.

I don't have a problem with "handmaiden". I am not going to automatically agree with another woman simply because she is a woman. I will defend her rights. I will have her back if she needs it. But I will not automatically agree with her. That's not what feminism is about.

The house is on fire, we need to call the emergency services, and you’re complaining about how Glinner is holding the phone?

It used to be specific to heterosexual, usually married, women with children. Is it a catch all insult nowadays?

same same @Heliotroper

I'm not here to tell, I'm here to listen and learn.

I can see why women use it but I am a man and I would not use the term handmaidens or vichy feminists. It would not seem right probably because if I called a woman that I would instantly lose the argument by looking like the sort of bloke who tells women what to think.

Well, some of them are. It’s not the worst epithet I have heard flung during the gender wars.

teh hive minds!!!

What I notice is ploppers turning up and opening with a series of insults, which then are met with resigned patience, and a short list of common questions, which are never answered.

Agree, insults are common if you don't agree.

Great Post leChiffre
Politicians are often the least in touch with reality. When it finally reaches them you know that everyone knows.
Yes, seeing Jess Phillips come out of weasel mode at the recent debate shows how the wind is blowing.

Its such an amazing degree of hypocrisy that a group would go after Glinner's income so rabidly using fear to make sure no one will work with him in his industry then complain that he needs to use a paywall to try and scrape by on a meager income.
The no debate mantra has fallen. It is dead. The people who purposfully chose to build their house of cards on the swampy foundations of circular thought terminating cliches and no debate have suceeded only in excluding themselves from any adult conversation, and are now wondering why debate is now happening without them despite their incessantly agressive perpetual tantrum.
The hypocrisy of calling Glinner on "no debate" because you refuse to pony up £30 is breathtaking. Just stunning. "I won't pay, and so I can't harangue him. How mean is that?"
Your side could have debated at any point. If you had debated in good faith from the start, we would all have got a vastly better result. You would have a say where we as a society heads next out of this conflagration, and help choose the end destination together. It would have been achieved with input and consent from all sides, and been conducted in a mutually respectful way. But like a small spoilt child wriggling around and screaming their lungs out on the floor of McDonalds having a tantrum while everyone else watches on in bemusment because mummy won't and literally can't give you the big colourful Ronald McDonald clownman advertising cutout hanging from the ceiling, the situation has reached the point of moving on from mollifying and appeasing you to the adults stepping up and taking control of you and your appalling embarassing behaviour.
You can sulk and whinge as much as you like but you blew it bigtime and the adults are now moving on without you. All that's left is the amusment and grattitude that their kids are nothing like "that kid" in the bystanders who witnessed the spectacular performance of The Theatre Of Victimhood Extravagance. Ohh and funny stories about "that crazy spolit kid in McDonalds" to tell other parents when they get home. The internet is forever don't forget. This is the legacy you chose and built for yourselves.
Politicians are often the least in touch with reality. When it finally reaches them you know that everyone knows.

Bearded woke-bro?

Not sure how I feel about the term ‘handmaiden’ but Glinner is a valuable ally regardless.

Sorry to repeat what 99% of posters are saying, but I'll save my dislike for the women who, yes, ARE handmaidens (like my Labour MP). GL has sacrificed a lot in the cause, and I'm grateful to see a public figure who has some backbone.

Yes , it seems to be their weapon of first resort now. I just block anyone who uses it , must be in 3 figures now.
I suppose they are more to be pitied but I'm getting compassion fatigue with these malignant creeps.

Glinner also uses "Vichy feminist", which I find both amusing and accurate.

Sometimes find Glinner's approach a bit blunt, but he's on the side of the angels, which is what matters.

Ah, the good old "she deserved it" line. Interesting how that's perceived on here depending on whether you're rightthink or wrongthink.