Glinner calling women "handmaidens"

You're talking about "Handmaiden of the Patriarchy", @TooBigForMyBoots, right?

Yes, it applies to most of us because we all live in the oppressor's realm and most of us compromise with its rules to some extent. Some feminists did scatter the term around liberally - it's been sneered at me more than once.

BUT it's important to note that those women never compromised in their own lives, a choice that drew far more damaging fire than being called a "handmaiden" now and again. I remain grateful for their commitment, and understand their feelings of betrayal.

In public debate, "handmaiden" was reserved for women who campaigned against women's liberation. That's pretty much how it's being used in the gender war.

The only way to get out of that mess is to stop those kinds of behaviours, that approach to thinking. Get rid of those lazy intellectual habits.
@DemiColon thank you for your thoughtful post. It helped me clarify a lot of half-arsed thoughts about this issue.

But in case anyone doesn't know-a handmaiden is a woman who, for whatever reason, willingly colludes in her own oppression and in the oppression of other women.

Before the trans shitshow this argument was used against married women, SAHMs, women who shave/wear make-up, religious women etc. It is so subjective that most women fall under its definition.

I don't like it.

‘Handmaid’ must have been in use in the English language before it was used to translate a Greek word or words. And it may have had more than one meaning already. But that may be the earliest recorded use of it. What it means now depends on the contexts in which it has been used.

Gosh, I wondered what Glinner had done to kick the hornets nest?

Other than 'debate' TRAs @FriendlyNeighbourhoodTrans?

Gosh, I wondered what Glinner had done to kick the hornets nest?

Would anyone be surprised to hear that he uploaded a hilarious and triumphant episode of the mess yesterday? I heartily recommend going to watch it, and draw your own conclusions.

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I just think it shows the mental age up of the person using the insults. Gender specific names such as Handmaiden, TERF, Karen - whichever side of the fence you sit, are childish and unproductive. Just accept that some people have different opinions to you and seek to put your side across by grown up debate; don't stoop to silly name-calling and insults, which straight away tells the receiver you have no intelligent argument, therefore your opinion does not hold any weight.

@DemiColon "But the term doesn't just mean someone you disagree with?"

I know. I was assuming that everyone knows what it means-I was stating my general position!
But in case anyone doesn't know-a handmaiden is a woman who, for whatever reason, willingly colludes in her own oppression and in the opression of other women. Which to me is despicable behaviour and needs to be called out. In my experience, the women who object to the term are frequently (not always) women whose own behaviour wouldn't stand up to scrutiny.

Yes.

For me the bigger picture is that one of the things that has really made it difficult for women to be heard on this issue, or any critics of gender ideology, is the tendency to demonize people who have a different viewpoint as bigoted or stupid, and to rely on tribal affinities rather than looking at issues.

All of that has been as effective as the direct "No Debate" stuff, probably more effective. It's allowed completely idiotic mantras to be widely accepted omong the progressive left, because no one wants to look like a baddie. This atmosphere has been around long enough that it's affected the ability of many people to engage critically at all with subjects where there is supposedly a "right" side. Stupid shit like "Love is Love" get a pass because they are used to just accepting what seems nice and supportive of the cause - looking at the deeper implications is no longer a thing.

The only way to get out of that mess is to stop those kinds of behaviours, that approach to thinking. Get rid of those lazy intellectual habits.

There are a few people who are critics of gender ideology who previously seem to have been part of that way of thinking. JKR was one to some extent, Glinner another. I think for many people, the experience of seeing what happened has actually shocked them out of that way of thinking and talking, into a more serious engagement with ideas in general. That seems to me to be the case with JKR. Glinner, maybe somewhat, but he still seems more inclined to continue to focus on the player rather than the ball.

To me that's a big mistake because it ultimately supports the environment that allowed this shitfest to happen.

But the term doesn't just mean someone you disagree with?

THAT is the image I will now have in my head, everytime I see a woman who really should know better supporting this nonsense.

It is utterly perfect.

Bloody excellent post.
Brava.

Or are living in a parallel universe where humans can change sex...

Thank you.

I don’t recognise any of this! It’s as if you are living in a parallel universe!

Are you fricking serious? Talk about DARVO.

further to “friendly trans”, Glinner certainly did not call for death threats. This is a (slanderous) lie. You’re really not that friendly if you’re spreading lies.

I freely use 'Handmaiden' and 'Vichy Gay' for the sellouts like Nancy, Mhari and Little Owen and all the misogynistic gay men
As a Lesbian a same-sex attracted woman I don't give a fuck about being nice or kind anymore.
Ladies; to the Barricades! For our Rights!

If you want to know what's going on in the Bible and Hebrew Bible, it's best to look at the original Hebrew and Greek words used because some of the translations, including the Latin ones, are pretty hinky.

It’s a synonym for maidservant: a female employed within a household, as opposed to working in the fields or being a ‘wife ‘ within an independent household. The opposite sex were menservants.

A hand maid at the time of the Sixteenth Century Biblical translations was a girl, or woman , who was employed more directly in waiting on her ( usually female) employer, in the bedchamber and solar rather than the kitchen. ‘Maid’ of course is unmarried status, with some assumption of virginity.

Its such an amazing degree of hypocrisy that a group would go after Glinner's income so rabidly using fear to make sure no one will work with him in his industry then complain that he needs to use a paywall to try and scrape by on a meager income.

Agree with this, lechiffre, and the rest of your excellent post.

These people who have done everything they can to destroy his livelihood then wang on about how terrible it is to see Glinner's mental health decline.

About the name-calling - obviously it would be wonderful if everyone on our side could be a model of calm and diplomacy at all times. But it's not going to happen. We are battling a group of people who use the most vicious tactics including death and rape threats, including actual physical violence, including maliciously reporting feminists to the police or dragging them through the courts, including trying to get people cancelled and thrown out of their jobs, sometimes successfully. You'd have to be a saint to stay calm in the face of all that. If you weren't able to throw out an occasional "handmaiden" and "dick panderer" in response, then you'd go mad.

@DemiColon " hate the term handmaiden when anyone uses it. The implication is that individuals don't really think what they think"

I don't agree. I think they think exactly what they think. They are just crap thoughts.

And Glinner's mental acuity is just fine.