Glinner calling women "handmaidens"

I didn't notice any clear "Islamophobia" in those tweets, rather than just controversial opinion.

The comment about girls wearing the hijab, well some people may view it as sexist if girls are required to cover themselves in that way.

Obviously the burka is a more extreme example, and in that case, it would be widely recognised as oppressive to women.

The hijab isn't seen as being as bad, but it could be viewed as part of a culture that imposes such and such sexist requirements on women.

So does she have an "irrational fear" of Islam if she doesn't like the hijab? I don't see that this is proven.

Posie is a worldwide phenomenon.

A woman's place, not so much.

They are the losers there, in my opinion.

Just a few things if you want to use The National as a credible source. One of the 'appropriate source' links in that article is a tweet by Picklebee. 'I did it all for Beth' Picklebee. The one who made various violent threats against women. Picklebee links to the horrifically misogynist and aggressive Cabaret against Hate in that tweet. The 'series of counter protests' to 'protest facism' which were planned for the Glasgow Let Women Speak event failed to attend an actual fascist event taking place that same day in Glasgow. Much easier to shout at a bunch of women instead who hold views which are 'worthy of respect in a democratic society', right?

I would genuinely trust a newspaper written by sixth years than that embarrassment of a paper.

And have you actually read the Women's Place statement? Many of us here have differing views of PP. A quick peruse of the many, many threads on here will inform you of that. Have you read any? There are many differing views, as acknowledged by the Women's Place statement. Some people don't agree with Women's Place's approach either. It's not a monolith.

Eye-roll to the mansplaining of feminism: the women on this board need to be educated and schooled into the correct way of thinking. Obvs.
The usual lazy grouping of Jk Rowling, Posie Parker with Trump and Tommy Robinson. Far right..Literal Nazis….Terfs..transphobes… Yawn Yawn.
This newbie to the board needs to stick around to learn a thing or too. The women on this board has seen worse off,
handmaidens, dick panderers and self-posturing men, amongst them all.
The sunshine proved too much for some, and they flee to Twitter to moan about the irredeemable terfs on this board. Waaaah waaah. Except now, post Elon Musk, Twittersphere is also eye rolling and yawning too.

I hope one day Glinner does write about this madness when it is all over. Still in the fray, and still too raw. But one day.

We were there mate. We are a primary source.

Wikifuckingpedia.

Oh no - we have another one with KJK living rent free in their head trying to convince us with fake news that she's the devil incarnate? 😂

This has been done to death on here and women are perfectly able to decide for ourselves who we admire and who we disagree with without transactivists moaning about their odd little purity spirals.

@Waitwhat23 I thought that source was okay for a short summary of her (didn't want to post anything too long so as not to derail the thread) given that each point in that article has a link to an appropriate source, but I can certainly admire your desire for sources that are as credible as possible :)

To that end, I hope you don't mind if I go through here every point listed in detail (not that I don't think it's worthwhile but again, I don't want to derail) but to take one instance, here is the primary source for the claim in the article of the terf group that had to distance itself from Posie Parker when it discovered her islamaphobia https://womansplaceuk.org/2022/06/22/womans-place-and-posie-parker/

A mansplaining sort of twat.

I do think that men is an appropriate term to use for men because it aligns with how the term is popularly used within discourse - which is to describe individuals who are adult, human and male.

What sort of twat tries to introduce us to Posie, as if we haven't known her for years?

The National 😄

twitter.com/shiny02/status/1526571293759488001?s=20

That's a lot of words to say nothing of value.

I try to give a bit of leeway on sources but...the National? Seriously? Nationally derided perhaps.

(Sorry if I "at" the wrong people to the wrong remarks here, just trying to reply to a couple of peoples' points in one go)

@BezMills Re Posie Parker's close working relationship with far-right individuals and organisations: her wikipedia page gives a few examples, but I'm going to post this arcticle as it lists a few more and in is in a more consensed format https://www.thenational.scot/news/23299549.posie-parker-anti-trans-founder-standing-women/. It mentions the time she was dropped by a terf group for islamaphobia, her support for Tommy Robinson, allegations of white nationalism (she has a habit of "accidentally" sharing her platform with neo-nazis over and over again, including just a few months ago in New Zealand) and a few other things.

@SerafinasGoose On the question of whether "Terf" is appropriate for someone who is not a "radical" feminist but does describe herself as a "woman's rights activist". Thank you for your summary of the origins of "radical" feminism, you clearly have some knowledge of that bit of history and I'm not going to quibble whether or not Posie Parker's activities fall within that "radical" tradition. However, I do think that terf is an appropriate term to use for her because it aligns with how the term is popularly used within discourse - which is to describe individuals who are transphobic or who promote trasphobic views or policies, and who justify their position in the name of feminism. There are sufficient commonalities between the beliefs and activities of JK Rowling and Posie Parker that having one term to describe them both (but which distinguishes them from non-feminist transphobes like Donald Trump) is useful, even if their beliefs are not exactly the same. After all, not everyone who calls themselves "Gender Critical" is "critical" of "gender" in the narrow sense.

@Trextet You're right! It was that he threatened to kill 3 fellow comedians (all women) rather than those protestors - Aisling Bea, Sara Pascoe and Cariad Lloyd. That was my first recollection of events, but I thought I must have been wrong since the sources I found online didn't corroborate that. Thanks for digging that out!

Ha! 1% of 1% would do me.

Actually, in the event I win Euromillions , I would defo give GL a million for a small share of Fr.Ted the musical.

Hope you get the 1%

I half remember Glinner saying on a podcast interview that it’s been suggested that he write about his experience but that he felt he can’t write about TRAs or that scene because it’s too strange and humourless and the politics is too awful and painful and wierd for comedy in a kind of ‘you couldn’t make it up’ kind of way (sorry if I misquote, was a while ago! If he’s on here, please correct the record)

I really love the idea of a comedy about the GC crowd as the resistance to that movement, and in the comedy you’d never quite get to see who they’re opposing but you’d get to represent some awesome funny women and a few good men. Write what you know and write what you see etc

I want out Ted. Just because ya have one good idea , doesn't mean you have to have another one and another one and another one !
I'm sorry Ted!

Maybe Glinner will give me 1% for the title though 😂

Yes! I like it! Riff more Abhammor

Although it could be a good title for Glinner's next series.
The GC Crowd . In which a bunch of hapless nerds try to navigate the alphabet soup of the new ID politics. And often fail with hilarious consequences! And the task of the GC Crowd is to deprogamme them. Or something.

OK it'll need work.

@FriendlyNeighbourhoodTrans it's really not friendly to call a woman a 'terf'.

It just makes you sound like a misogynist, which won't play well on this board.

Radical feminism is a distinct branch of feminism. Has its own philosophy and everything. It doesn't mean a feminist who happens to disagree with you on something.

Posie has many friends who are radical feminists. Julia Long, Kara Dansky and Sheila Jeffreys, come to mind.

Andrea Dworkin's writings are all online and are easy to read if anyone's interested.

http://radfem.org/dworkin/

I don't like it when people are quick to label the other side as being dishonest, or having impure motives, because I think you mostly need to focus on arguments and not the people making them.

However, when it's something as crazy as "TWAW", I think it's pretty natural to be looking for explanations as to why people might say that without really believing it.

As far as including trans women in women’s spaces, sure, they may genuinely believe in it.

Although an honest approach would be, "OK they aren't really women, but I still think they should be allowed in women’s spaces because...".

Whenever I see posts like that, and thankfully they are few and far between on Mumsnet, I breath a sigh of relief that I'm reading them on a computer screen and not on paper. The idea that trees might have been sacrificed to enable publication of such garbage would make me very depressed.

Good luck with posting Prick News links on Mumsnet FWR. Lurking on here since 2018, you say? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

"never really joined as I wasn't then a mum" - you either joined or you didn't, there's no such thing as "unreally joining Mumsnet".

You are now a mum? Are you saying you are female? Only females can be mothers.

If you are a male calling yourself a mum you deserve to be hog-tied and winched down into a pit of ravening transwidows!

Team Graham all the way here.